Thema: SmartDVB 0.3.0 RC

[jackjavo]

ym: did the previous tst wrk ok for u? I see u use xp no? No plugins at install folder (if so try without them?). Also where exactly does the start fail, at the splsh screen of after when you already see the main screen? (does press SHIFT at start also not operate, shift supresses tune at start). If no crsh rport, could you send the smartdvb.log so i might have idea where the issue's with u..

[jackjavo]

sorry to hear about ur flu jurgen! I've kept from that till now this year, but i do recognize what you tell, better not to concentrate too much at screen. From what i know indeed it's best to keep from the heavy stuff.
good luck,
jack

[ritschibie]

Of course, I could use some heavy stuff against the head ache now, but normally that would not really help on thinking precisely.

Sorry for the offtopic: "Gute Besserung" Jürgen and remember the doctor's advice - a flu lasts 2 weeks with medicine and 14 days without! 

Richard

[Snoop]

Just installed it over the last version - no obvious problems here ...

[Jürgen]

Continued playing around with the latest versions, and still I don't have any important new findings to report 
Seems all recent changes were done pretty well.

Just one small decorative issue, now the splash screen seems to have some charset / font size issue.
The message "starting dev(ice)" seems to be to big, starts at the centre of the splash window and looks as if being cut off on the right edge.
Can't make a screen shot of it. Is this made by SmartOSD now?
It's also vanishing to fast, to take a real photo, as my camera has a to long delay.
So I had to use a toy quality camcorder now. Sorry for the bad quality, but you should be able to get an idea.
However, changing OSD to old VMR style, does not effect the splash screen.

Don't have a resource editor on any of my machines ATM, to find out more.
Maybe another day...
BTW,
it's not the flu, but just the ordinary cold, that still hits me every couple of years.
Seems I am getting better already, as only the first two or three days are pretty hard.

THX to my late granny and all she taught me:
- Heavy chicken broth for lunch, with extra nutmeg (against lack of appetite)
- Ginger for the stomach
- Hot elder-berry juice with grated orange peel, clove, cinnamon and real vanilla
- For the night only, a good drop of creme de cassis into the last mug of Earl Grey
- And then, all the sleep one can get.

Of course it's important, to avoid all possible opportunistic infections, that may follow on such a weak general condition.
So no extreme physical stress, and being a bit more careful throughout the next couple of days.

CU

Jürgen

[jackjavo]

ok, good to hear it's ok. Seems yv*** must have some XP issue, odd time difference possible there from what i remember, but haven't look at xp for eons..
Sp*sh screen is the same osd engine indeed (it also uses the same trnsprncy options, at actual fact it's the first tst i made after that the timeshift (i should remake them now probably, one programming rule tells it's often much better to totally remake stuff coz the second time around u have much more knowlegde about the matter, so you could make it quicker nd better, but no companies ofcourse ever do that or only after some time when they have no other options). I think the font is just drawn too big for some selected fonts, i'll just make the currently selected pointsize smaller or otherwise just use some std fnt size (or also might make it multiline, i had wanted to put more data there, like some scroll list etc,but i'll leave that for now coz well enough to do those details r possible next time around (beta 2 then)..

Glad ur cold's just that, but then again when ur low on resistence everything's a possible issue, i remember the times after i had a transplant due to the cancer, after almost a full 'year' of chemo it's quite a feat to not get infected then (even food then could easily infect you, everything if you think about that is full of bacteria but normal humans with normal cell counts ofcourse don't have issue with that, my cell counts at those times were horrible ofcourse, not to mention the physical state). So nutrition, indeed like for flu lots of vitamin-C, avoiding stress, excercize when possible, anti-oxidants (which somewhere coincides quite a bit with old granny tales so to speak), nd maybe also just nature coz such oxigen's good for u not to mention the mental aspect of nature (nd disease infections u get from people not cold etc, i actually avoided people/shops for quite a while after the chemo's, if some silly person sneezes at you at such periods who knows what could happen). I had enough chemo to kill a flock of elefants (even after all those chemo's they still could see cancer at the scans, that's also the reason i totaly commited to altering my lifestill coz the odds after such treatment were horribly low (i had what they called refractory cancer, which means it grew after the inital chemo treatments through the chemo, so it had gotten resistant, you just need some cells to mutate to something that's able to survive a certain chemo treament nd ur fucked.) (contrary to what my dutch docs told me, but the treatment they gave me originated from germany (koln) where they had lots of experience already so they didnt' fool me with their little information capacities, if i had  followed their advices i probably would not be here at this state atm).

anyhow best regards new tst tomorrow for sure (i've actually added some stuff to teletext once more, code page like suggested before coz some other tsters, polish for example, still had issues with ttx codepages...

br,
jack

[Jürgen]

[OT]German doctors may as well be wrong, sometimes.

In later 2005 they gave me a 100% correct diagnosis for diabetes mellitus type 1, no doubt allowed.
Two different doctors, a special diabetes surgery and even the University special clinic all told the same.
Well, all the symptoms I had, first made me think the very same way.
And in fact I had to inject insulin for almost half a year, as for that period, my pancreas first did not produce any, and after a short time, some again, but still not enough.

But I recovered completely.
One reason may be, I started working on a building site then, for friends of mine, that allowed me to chose exactly the work load I could physically take.
Perfect sports, from that point of view.
Did not even noticeably reduce weight, compared to late 2005.
You know, muscles are heavier than fat...
After two months of using insulin, I had to reduce the dose more and more, and finally all the calculations resulted in dosage zero.

And no doctor ever found out, why my insulin production had stopped completely for months, nor how it could come back to normal, completely and permanently.

I am watching my blood-sugar level ever since, and it's completely normal, without any more treatment. Including all the normal variation everybody has, by nature.
Doctors tell, after the beginning of that type 1 some patients may have a temporal semi recovery phase of between two and no more than around six months, before the insulin production would for sure collapse forever.

Well, that six months are over, plus six extra years, and I am still running my own insulin production.
So all the doctors and books must be wrong, somehow.

Means, it's most important, to never ever stop seeing the obvious and real, instead of just blindly believing in what you're told and what's written down anywhere.
If I had not stopped taking the extra insulin in a minimum dose at least, as the doctors told me, I would have had to eat much more, to avoid low blood-sugar side effects.
And then, for sure, I would be far to heavy today, resulting in a guarantee for diabetes mellitus type 2 and adipositas in the end.

All this is a damn good reason, to in fact "mention the mental aspect of nature", not just the still limited knowledge on medics and chemistry.
The immune system also needs help from your mind, and without this, all the modern drugs won't help.

From this point of view, let the sun shine in...[/OT]Regarding XP, I will also look at this during the weekend.

Regarding fonts:
On components, where users would / could not chose a font for and test on easily, it's highly recommended, to use some Windows system standards, as those are available and working in any case.
Bold, extra size, ..., no problem then.
But better don't use OSD fonts there, specially not with user settings depending size, as OSD mainly is meant to be optimized for a video screen, not for Windows GUI.

BTW, a scroll list on a splash screen would only make sense, if it's appearance could be prolonged by the user.
In just around half a second of display time, a user would not have enough time, to even scroll just one single line.
And of course, we won't really want to generally make SmartDVB start any slower

Best regards

Jürgen

[Jürgen]

FYI, I could not make the recent pre beta work on 32bit XP SP3.

Tried a fresh install, an update from a known working 0.2.5 version, and I am always getting the same start error then.
First I wasn't astonished, to get this when trying to open the Win7 x64 installed version from XP, but the others haven't ever been in contact with a 64bit OS.

This is weird...

Did not yet find the time, to try out, from what pre beta on this happens.
A few older versions are stored here, so maybe later...

Best regards

Jürgen

[jackjavo]

hi, "to never ever stop seeing the obvious and real" ur damn right there, i would call it just be critical nd inform urself, something which is much more possible these times with inet etc ofcourse.

I already located that 64 bit issue, a while back i added some test there with that function call (coz some users reported issues with 64 bit i thought were located there), seems it cannot be used with xp (odd that yv* didn't report that error). So i also did some tst now with xp which resulted in quite some bughunt (mainly wrt the new custom list once more, more stuff seemed to fail there so good to do that even if only at virtual machine). I'll try to update the build soon so xp runs again.

br,
jack

[Jürgen]

To me it seems, 64bit related issues on a 32bit OS might as well partly depend on some side effects, like hardware and BIOS related.

I do remember issues with some ATI graphics drivers (for a Radeon HD 3650 AGPx8) on a Win2k system, some years ago.
Refused to install, proclaiming it could not run on a 64bit OS.
Well, Win2k never was available as a 64bit version, and my P4 3,2GHz HT also was not, same with that good old i845 chipset behind.
And that drivers weren't meant to be used on Win2k (or older).
But again, they did not complain on a to low Windows version, like 5.1 or above only, but on detecting a 64bit platform...

Means, sometimes Windows itself seems to report false system details, for what reason ever 
 

[jackjavo]

yes it's quite tricky to keep support in one app for all os'es (previous 0.1.5 sdvb versions which also supported win2000 etc required lots of care with component usage etc). At this situation that function error u reported is just not there at some xp dll so that results at failure, that function btw tries to prevent some file name resolve that occurs with 32 bit apps at 64 systems, but seems it only is crucial with sytem files, like at system32 etc (when reading/writing those at 32 bit app those paths r altered etc) so i removed that again (the docs were somewhat unclear wrt some folder read functions that might need that).
br, nd pm sent..
jack

[Jürgen]

Now on my XP SP3 x86 that error is gone

Right now, I don't have fully working codecs on XP, but this is a completely different story, as that XP installation originally was meant as an emergency fallback system only, with a stone age license from a junk yard early Pentium4 machine.
So it is not yet equipped with all the usual bits and pieces.
Though, all the new SmartOSD stuff is working well there, too.

Best regards

Jürgen

[jackjavo]

ok good to know. The smartosd stuff i actually tested when i initiated that some time ago so that i knew quite sure (coz there certainly were some issues there at that time so i made sure i tested that when creating the basics:)
i forgot to mention there are some alterations to teletext, i added codepage selection (also for exotic languages like cyrillic/arabic etc) nd also fixed some small display errors i still saw here nd there so that might need some look at too
br,
jack

[Snoop]

I have to report a little thing:
In my "Software"-List, there are about 9 Entries from SmartDVB ...

[dada]

so is here, but from all I tested, including the media file options, I could not find bugs