Thema: SmartDVB 0.2.5 RC 1

[yvmifi]

yes of transponder 20=11302,H,22000,23,S2,8PSK: ORF1HD;ORF2HD:ServusTV HD Deutschland;ServusTV HD Oestereich


Yvmifi

[ritschibie]

Thx yvmifi 

Got just the same info from dada in the shoutbox. I had the wrong frequency from "Google". Somehow, in my full scan Servus HD and the others did not show up but scanning the frequency by itself I got all the channels. Now EPG testing from my side (with CI) may begin 

[Jürgen]

@jurgen: ok good then, fiddling with dates that was. About that 1 min delay, i could also double check this when pressing the OK button  in the add task dialog and if the minute has passed add another one, or maybe simpler just add 2 minutes?

Double checking may be better, to not lose to much of the event.
Is there an easy way to find out, if the actual minute has more than one second left? If yes, keep that minute then, else add one more and proceed.

Yes thanks for reminding me of the translations, i still need to run through the application and move all translatable strings ... to the resources

OK.
Just let us know when it's done, whenever this may be.

Main reason for my question was, I've made some serious attempts on translating ProgDVB and HispaDVB quite some time ago, but on both, to many important components could not be edited at all or just in a very limited way.
And of course it would be necessary, to not have to start from the very beginning over and over again, once the software author changed to much on the GUI. Prog did that more than once, even mixing up and cross changing resources, and many of those could not even be accessed by ResHacker and alike. Got even worse due to his frequent quick and dirty fixes. So I gave it up in the end...

So please don't feel forced in any way, definitely no need to hurry on anything.
Good clean code and reliability are far more important than the comfort aspects, my ideas relate to in most cases.

SmartDVB has already turned into my favourite and default DVB application.

So I have to thank you again, for all your effort

Jürgen

[yvmifi]

jackjavo

thank you for this SmartDVB 0.2.5 !!!! It is my favourite DVB application.

yvmifi

[jackjavo]

good that it now works ritschibie (i asked that in a previous post, maybe you could have used the SYNC with kingofsat? or didnt' that work? Just update all the current frequencies with that? and any mistakes should be fixed). Btw anyone know what the best current source for actual .ini lists is? I'm looking at h__p://satellites-xml.eu/ but in the past these lists didn't prove that actual or good i think (current lists are from there i think, got it from a user) but these lists at least do include american satellites (not including feeds etc), i guess kingofsat would be best for european lists, dunno about american lists etc ofcourse.

Is there an easy way to find out, if the actual minute has more than one second left? If yes, keep that minute then, else add one more and proceed.

Ok. I'll look into that sounds like a better solution.

Just let us know when it's done, whenever this may be.

Well yesterday i actually ran through the app (for sure ofcourse it was necessary for the blindscanner), but i might ofcourse have missed things. I can send you the current update for that, but then if peole start to translate this i for sure won't/can't add any more strings or change dialogs

And of course it would be necessary, to not have to start from the very beginning over and over again, once the software author changed to much on the GUI. Prog did that more than once, even mixing up and cross changing resources, and many of those could not even be accessed by ResHacker and alike. Got even worse due to his frequent quick and dirty fixes. So I gave it up in the end...

Yes i totally  understand this, also the problems prog had with this as in the past this already has proven to me to be a problem. People make translations and in next versions stuff has to be done anew (but lingobit has a provision for example for this in that you can simply import previous DLL data, even without changing the current dialogs as that would be a problem, i remember i did have to mess with that, but well it is possible i think, so you like simply generate the dll from the current dll, including all dialogs, and after that import text from previous dll translation, i think i tested this, but in any case it's not really simple for everyone and in the past i already noticed this being a stumble block for many users to translate stuff!). I did add some provision for this some time back to SmartDVB so it would be possible to use older translation DLL's and where needed smart checks if resources required are newer, if resources in the translation are out of date smart defaults to the current resources (and it will show up in the default english in the app, but better than nothing i guess). But i don't really like this solution as it's very work intensive (i like have to maintain resource versions inside the app all around, don't like that) for me and can also lead to crashes if wrong resources are picked up ofcourse. So maybe prog also tried some kinds of such solutions, it's not very clean i have to say so i do understand his probs..

And thanks guys for the compliments, didn't get much of those in the long past let's say (sometimes even to the contrary)..

jackjavo

[ritschibie]

Yes, jackjavo now good young smartdvb runs smoothly again  . As device I use "Florianbda", it seems to be like a "swiss knife" for my installation.

I just got the wrong frequency information for the "Servus HD" channels on Astra (I just quickly looked into: hxxp://insider.ses-astra.de/news/2009/11/artikel/servus-tv-so-einfach-finden-sie-das-neue-hd-angebot-auf-astra/ and thought the 12663 was correct). After yvmifis and dadas hints, I quickly moved to check on frequency 11302. What happened was that on my first succesfull scan on Astra 19.2 E the Transponder on 11302 was (for whatever reason) not scanned. A single scan of this frequency resulted in a quick success!

I allways stay with "KingofSat" when I feel an updated Transponder List is needed. Here (http://de.kingofsat.net/satellites.php) you get with one click the relevant list for the Sat you need to update. A look into the "Letzte Aktulisierung" shows you how up to date the information is. This site is "the admins choice" on our forum for Transponder updates and this "award" is well earned by them 

Frankly, your sync option in smartdvb is for a dummie like me a little bit confusing. I prefer to download the new ini-file from KoS and simply copy it to the \smartdvb\Transponder subdirectory.

This (the sync option) leads my to the point of translation of smartdvb menue. I would rather suggest as a first step to build up a "how to" for major steps with smartdvb (connection, device, device settings, etc.). Of course, experienced application pros would not have to look into but dummies like me would be happy for a "helping hand" 

Waiting for the final release of 0.2.5, a very good program!

[jackjavo]

oh okay ritchibie :-) Well just a quick howto then with that sync option it's also possible to kinda copy just all quickly. Just select sync > kingofsat. And after getting into the sync menu correctly a quicky 'copy all' and 'save' should at least give you all current kingofsat frequencies. But well i might just add a simple 'get current list from kingofsat' copy option or something in future then. I'll get back on the rest lateron today..
take care jj

[yvmifi]

jackjavo !    one does not have to adapt the frequency data from the Kingofsat however to Smart otherwise to go the HD 8PSK transponders . (and9/10) not correctly 910 in Smart


yvmifi

[jackjavo]

one does not have to adapt the frequency data from the Kingofsat however to Smart otherwise to go the HD 8PSK transponders

what do you mean exactly by this yvmifi (the 910 remark is clear to me and i have already fixed that)

[Jürgen]

A propos Lingobit Localizer, I've just noticed the price and almost lost my mind...
A demo is available, but limited to 50 translations in total.
So this would not be a real solution for me. Several of that 50 free translations would surely be needed, even before the very first working one was ready...

Anyway, from my point of view, there must be a way, to avoid the need for full re-translation on every resource change.
Though, I am not a programmer, just an ordinary TV mechanic.
So my ideas may even be completely useless or at least unrealistic.

Basically I am thinking of a plain text style table, holding lines for (semi) progressive unique string numbers and an input area for each, similar to the usual ini format. or even the good old key format  
Maybe, also basic parameters like width / height or number of symbols could be edited or even commented like this --> [comment] or --> :REM comment or --> ...; comment  
If changes were done, an obsolete number simply should not be reused, to avoid conflicts.
New string, new number, new line added at the end.
Means, obsolete entries could stay inside, corrections would be done in the existing line, new ones all to be found at the end.

This way we would only need some routine, to import this table somehow, into a database the .exe can read.
Bad bug inside, causing the application to crash, then simply (auto) delete that database, drop back to (internal) default language and notify user to make him remove the bad language file.
BTW, perhaps an export of the default language strings to such a language file could help on getting started.

For my limited understanding, this seems to be quite similar to skins, or even a part of those.
However, charset / encoding would be an issue.

Would your developer tools allow this?
Could this perhaps be done without excessive effort?

Well, all my soldering experience surely won't help a lot here.
But of course throughout the years I had to learn, what can't be done with that good old Weller station.
For example, definitely no way on a modern mainboard southbridge.

May well be, programmer tools bring their own limitations.
If so, that's totally acceptable.

[yvmifi]

46=11914,H,27500,910,8PSK thats is correctly for Smart 46=11914,H,27500,91,S2,QPSK  that is from Kingofsat
25=11435,V,22000,23,S2,8PSK  thats is correctly for Smart analog KingofSat 25=11435,V,22000,23,S2,8PSK 
43=11856,V,27500,34,QPSK  thats is correctly for Smart analog KingofSat 43=11856,V,27500,34,DVB-S,QPSK

yvmifi

[jackjavo]

A propos Lingobit Localizer, I've just noticed the price and almost lost my mind...

Hah, well it's not like that, there's a translator version a developer deploys to the translators which ofcourse if free in such case (not a full version ofcourse that is, so in a company one would buy such a tool probably for large projects, but i also cannot buy that ofcourse).

Basically I am thinking of a plain text style table, holding lines for (semi) progressive unique string numbers and an input area for each

Yes this is possible ofcourse, as you say probably analog to skin-alike things (which i also want to look at in the long future). Each resource has an id for example, so one could just like perhaps generate some XML file with couplings to those id's and create some routines to read id's from the xml file instead of the actual exe resource, something like that (i would opt for xml in the future, depending on efficiency from my side, still have to look into those things but there are quite some low footprint xml parsers around, just haven't gotton to that yet). But for me it looks like quite some work but still doable, like for each dialog one would make some initialization routine which would get the strings from the correct dialog entry in the xml/ini file and replace the current resource strings (don't think putting in db will make it much more efficient). And as i said the resource solution is not nice now so i'll keep this in mind also when starting stuff that needs xml or other configuration elements (which i'll probably try already for the new osd a bit for the osd itself as i have thought about that a bit also concerning making it in a way that will allow skinning in the future of those osd elements (at least make the graphics configurable as i'll make them external this time so not in a resource i already had made that decision), depends on how much time that actually takes). Ofcourse such xml generations and initializations routines all have to be written (or perhaps there are things for that which would make life easier, like libraries for certain languages etc, have not really looked in to that)

46=11914,H,27500,910,8PSK thats is correctly for Smart 46=11914,H,27500,91,S2,QPSK  that is from Kingofsat

okay thanks yvmifi looks okay to me as i said that 91 > 910 fix is already done in the current build i have here

[jackjavo]

@ritchibie: and yes making some kind of help file for smart has also been a very long-standing issue for me . Some users tried some things way back in the old .hlp format (but for example the help system now in visual studio is maybe nice but quite heavy in use for me so have never really liked that, i like just google now for stuff, i actually much more preferred the old .hlp files for nice quick reading also offline, but maybe that's becoming a mute point for now and i should just look into some kind of online help).
I think i might have some basic .hlp file somewhere still which could be updated

[ritschibie]

@jackjavo: One or two suggestions from my side which (I hope) are not too complicated to follow would be:

a) During installation the installer could ask how many satellites one adresses, if a rotor is used, what preference for lnb1(2) should be chosen followed maybe by an automatical scanning of the relevant sattelites (in the case of a rotor this would be too time consuming). Another critical issue is the "connection". A basic connection set is already arranged by the program after installation but maybe there are ways to put that at the disposal of the user during the install procedure? In my eyes these are the two most critical choices for the user to get a smooth running program on the screen. Though I know that there are a number of pc-tv-card users that are experts in setting up the soft for their card, the majority of win users like the feeling that once installed the program runs "out of the box" like a charm.

b) On my system the changing of the 8PSK filter option in the "device settings" led twice to a BSD. Maybe a special warning next to the selection window (or above/below) for non-experts could be useful here?

c) I'm still working with the program to get it "customized" (window sizing, aspect ratio, etc.) and have therefore not discovered all treasures of smart. But, one thing in the "smartdvb setting" has catched my eyes: it's the point called "UDP streaming". As a few of us have recently set up successfully the "Recording Service" of the DVBViewer it would be interesting if there is a way to set up a streaming client for smartdvb. Any chasnce to get some hints here from your side?

Thx

Ritschie

[jackjavo]

Oh yes ritchibie i realise the install can be improved, for sure the connection dialog at the end is not difficult, but auto-scanning might be more work i'll leave these details for after this release. And also about the selected codecs by default i can still easily optimize this by re-ordering the default installed codec in the filters.ini (when selecting one at install these are selected from top to bottom lets say, so video1, video2 etc (as long as the codec is available) will be the first one selected, so this can be optimized by selected the best working codecs in smart on top. Darn, each time i think im almost there something else comes up
Oh can you give more details about that bsod? Where did it happen exactly so i can reproduce it perhaps? Would consider this a bug (although not sure might be also a bda driver problem, but still, and also if you have a device that should be correctly detected automatically this should always work best in the default settings as these things are thought out...
You can stream to for example VLC on another pc atm (not a real client architecture, also something to add in future i've talked about that before) or tsreader (as also mentioned on the smartdvb.net website). For vlc
look for example here: h__p://rickcaylor.websitetoolbox.com/post/Smartdvb-stream-to-vlc-5674155?trail=15, and make sure to use UDP streaming in vlc and to enter a udp url like this udp://@:8888 where the port is the one
selected in udp settings in smartdvb, other applications may vary here btw. Also in vlc if you stream the entire ts there is an option to select another channel in vlc (not sure where anymore or if it varies with different vlc versions). But in such a way you can use vlc to watch something elsewhere (even another program on the same transponder if sending the entire transponder ts)
edit: oh and btw there are some bugs in the current builds you have in the udp streaming (introduced) so if you have probs getting it working let me know..