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Diverse DVB Software für verschiedene Karten => # SmartDVB => Thema gestartet von: jackjavo am 27 November, 2012, 20:56
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Hi,
Some tstrs been busy with latests builds i got here. Wud like some extr* tsters bef*re public with beta etc (coz at previous times some beta's were too bug infested imho). Just let me know i have l*ink rdy...
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@ jackjavo I do of course again !!! I have TechniSat SkyStar HD2 intern and PCTV DVB-S2 Stick (460e)>>> Windows XP LAV-Filter 0.54 Astra and HotBird >>>ASAT Mutiswitch AGS 9/8
TechniSat SkyStar HD2 is top
PCTV DVB-S2 not work in SmartDVB 0.25. I found not DiSEqC for this Card.
yvmifi
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Oh, jackjavo, getting busy again that makes me happy. Always ready to test something out of your hand/brain. If you have special points of interest what should be tested more thouroughly, let me know.
Ritschie
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Hi jackjavo,
I am ready to do tests too, just tell me what you want to have tested.
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I suppose, we will also need a feedback thread for it, mainly to avoid multiple reports on the same possible issue.
Or would you (still) prefer PM reports?
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I'm also willing to test. Hardware is Hauppauge Budget 1600, but no Diseqc or anything else ....
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@jurgen: i figured this wud be the 'feedback' thread? But if it's better to creatte other one that's ok with me.
bout tsts:
- there's multiple tr*nsponder records there now, but i have not been able to test records of multipe crypted ch*nnels, also have reports that it don't function that well. If it works at all i'd also like to knwo about cpu usage with multi records.
- there's a new SmartOSD (so i call it), something at which i've been for quite a long time (like a side project). I'd like to know if it's ok for remote or ny other issues with it.
- there's no new module support compared with 0.2.5 (beside ms diseqc interfaces) coz my focus lied elsewhere with this version, but winter still is long so i'm sure that'll be looked at too.
- much alterations so too much to mention here, see history.txt. Mainly stability needs to be looked at.
- There's a new custom ch*nnel list, i still have occasional probs with it when re-loadint it a lot etc etc, so that needs to be looked at too before adding more stuff to that new channel list.
best regards nd tx all for this round once again :) Nd i'll promise i'll refrain from personal comments (AS long AS the bASterds here refrain from bothering me too much nymore, it's not like they have stopped at all ofcourse but well.).. :)
ps: i've sent pm to all of u, sometimes this msg board acts up so let me know if u didnt' receive it..
edit: oh nd another major issue i forgot, lotsa alterations to the installer (nd besides that i had system cr*sh nd needed to rebuild it so needs thorough tsts too). It now by default tries to install alterable files at local user data folder (eg: c:\users\dutch bastard\AppData\Local\SmartDVB). It also allows to still install at 'intall folder' (usual 'program files'), but in such case still admin rights wud be needed at w7/8 (when using data folder not!)
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I'm waiting for the file link to test :)
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First test: No problems here ...
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ok gud, at least install etc 's still ok.
About custom list, u'r also able to put logos at 'logos' folder (local user data, otherwise like mentioned 'program files' folder).
Here's some tst logo's i collected here nd there (not complete but gud enuff to tst):
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/51980102/logos.rar
rgrds,
jj
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First test:Transponderscan OK >>>> safe >>>crasch>>> anymore start
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@jurgen: i figured this wud be the 'feedback' thread?
OK, so now it is. And sticky for now, as well.
Means, once I might find issues I did not yet inform you via PM, I would post them here.
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ok np jurgen!
@ym*f*: got ur reprt. Looks like a new custom list issue (pretty nifty that). U mean sdvb don't run after that? I'm going to look at this nd send update!
btw: did this occur with existing chn list/empty install?
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@yvm*f*:
i've sent u url with alterations f*r ur prob. (i hope, if not next crprt pls :)...
jack
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@yvm*f*:
i read somewhere that ur e460 device might use MS interface? The new bda.dev options allow this to be selected? Not tsted yet but i added that some time ago (like mentioned untsted so if u cud try that nd if not operational send me bda.log to see if MS interf*ce error occurs?
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jackjovo i hav not testet e460 device
testet technisat skystarHD2 >>>>>>crash
I am now at work >> tonight I test further with new SmartDVB
yvmifi
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Hello jackjavo,
here is what I did: I copied my existing installation of Smart into a new directory, then installed new 0.3 with the msi installer over the old one. That is working fine. have been playing around for 2 hours now without any problems, except that there are no plugins accepted. The do not appear in drop down list and they do not function. Is that a feature?
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hello jackjavo for me >>>crash>>>crashreport???
when setting the station list sorted by name now comes the crash
yvmifi
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Here is another one I just noticed. OSD font changes, size and type are either not changed and when changed not saved. Can lead to crashes.
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Confirmed, so for now I will leave the fonts on defaults.
BTW, the illegal characters issue I mentioned on my last PM does really happen.
Just started scanning on sat, 19.2Astra first. Two crashes and reports being sent.
Will look after this in deep later.
Then I scanned 11817 manually, to get "I>TELE", and I did set %C as a record name component.
No file created on a recording attempt, instead an error message occured.
Means, file name character limitation filtering does not work (at this point).
> is not allowed inside of a file name on Windows.
And of course characters like this could also come from event names, which are used by default.
Screen shot attached.
Confirming this error message results in another one, regarding file not being created.
More testing will follow, of course.
But this needs time, as I have to do all the sat scanning and favs sorting first, due to new DiSEqC 1.1 switches and to avoid all possible trouble with an outdated previous channel database.
Up to now I had only used DVB-T, so no HD / h.264 yet, on 0.3 pre beta.
And besides, real life might also interfere occasionally ;)
Best regards
Jürgen
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Hi,
I'm on a deadlock now. Installed sdvb in a new directory called "c:\smartdvbtest"
opened sdvb 030 setting devices - ok
wanted to scan frequencies - message "cannot load .ini file"
imported transponder list from "C:\programs\smartdvb (025)
reopened sdvb 030
same result: sdvb 030 won't import transponder list,
We had a little chat last night in the shout where dada suggested to copy existing sdvb 025 directory in a new directory then install 030
Tried to do this but the setup only allows "repair" or "deinstall"
is there a way to get out of this deadlock?
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@dada: if ur running without admin rights like mentioned plugins also should go at fe c:\users\name\local\appdata\smartdvb. Thought is that plugins also write logs/ini etc at default folder so without admin rights sdvb wud prob not run.
@ritchibie: odd, did you use the default install to local user data? Ur at vista? Cud you check if you have transponder files somewhere at ur c:\users\urname\local\appdata... or wherever vista stores that perhaps? I'm guessing somehow the transponders were not copied then correctly by the installer while the settings must be there somewhere at the local user data folder (which is used if found, so there must be settings copied but not tranponders?? by installer??)..
@jurgen: ok i'll chk that (bout names), i thought i had that covered..
@dada/jurgen: oh ok i see u mean fnt not saved after close/rerun? i'll check tx...
at general if you don't want this local user data folder mess, install let's u select normal 'program files' like usual but then app needs to run with admin rights at w7/8 (just make sure u delete the local/appdata/smartdvb folder then so it's never used (coz if there it's prioritized, based on simple settings.ini chck, so r*tch*b** there must be a settings.ini somewhere there :)
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Thanks for the info, jackjavo, that fixed the problem, sorry, stupid me :O
Something strange happened and unfortunately I cannot recall when it happened. I was again playing around with OSD. I lost the settings page for "smartosd". It is still listed in the settings but the page is empty and I cannot do anything. The OSD is shown, however. Can I make it reappear somehow? I used "repair" but that didn't do it.
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@d*d*: odd :). i located the fnt issue, might be the problem's with that. Try to edit 'settings.ini' nd remove sm*rtosd options (located at [smartosd], take special note of odd 'sm*rtosd f*nt entries (other option is to make 'settings.ini' backup nd remove it, make sure its' the local user data settings.ini if there). Must be bugs (otherwise the menu's just a resource but cud not imagine the .exe's damaged)? If it's related to f*nt bug i'll try to have update about that..
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@jackjavo: you're right! In Appdata folder there is under smartdvb a transponder subdirectory and it's empty.
Shall I coppy the 025 ponder list there (just to be safe I'll wait for your instruction) or delete the directory right away?
Seems like the installer did not copy the transponder files there. I changed the standard install from C:\programs\smartdvb
to C:\smartdvbtest could that be the reason?
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@r*ch*b**: quite odd! I suppose u did usual install? R u at vista? The inst*ll shud cpy when that choice's made, i'll chk the install wrt vista then!
like u tell might have to do with that u altered default folder, but still odd shud wrk. Is it created 'nywhere? I've done some alterations to inst*ll. Nd yes it's possible to put another tr*nsponder list there (old one no matter). I'll send u pm...
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@jack: Should I copy the t-list to appdata folder?
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@yvm*f*: i've sent u upd*te to see if that exception's fixed. It's related to new custom list...
edit: to which dl'ed current sdvb3011tst nd r doing upgrade, please re-dl'd coz i forgot to increase version nr (which's issue with upgrade only!, otherwise no need to re-dl'd..). I've altered the load of new custom ch*nnel list at initial run coz it seemed that caused some issues with some, hope i didn't break stuff. Also SmartOSD font issues shud b fixed..
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@jurgen:
also those ch*r at r*c*rds issues shud b fixed (in actual fact i broke that it seems when i updated rec*rd module f*r multi-recs 'nd those name alterations, hence the confusion) :)
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jackjavo I install all in Smart-folder but the 3.SmartDVB not store the channels ????
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Hi jackjavo,
the font problem seems only partly fixed in SmartOSd. Style ist changed and stored, but font size is not, remains 11.
Just checked settings.ini for that porpose. Font size line is not present in settings.ini [smartosd]
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Hi Jack
On the last version you linked me to (sdvb2911tst.rar), the forbidden symbols issue still exists.
It's not just I>TELE at 11817 V 27500 19.2°E, but also several stations on 11523 H 27500 there, that come with ? in the station name captures.
And on 12148 H 27500 you can find even more strange station names like
†DELUXE‡ MUSIC
Such characters / symbols are not illegal for file names, but I am wondering, if those should be there at all.
Suppose such nasty elements should be changed to _ normally.
[not serious]
Your keyboard might have a similar problem, as it suppresses a lot of letters, mainly vocals, or changes them to *
Or do you use a pre beta hand writing interface...
[/not serious]
How comes I did not have any ini missing isssue here?
OK, I never allowed to use my personal folders.
Preferring those being untouched, even by myself if any possible.
BTW, these days, the bdas.device causes severe video distortion here, on my Cinergy S2 USB HD only, but not on the NOXON DAB+ USB tuner (mis)used for DVB-T
This is new, did not happen on 0.25
OK, have to use the Florian bda.device now, nevermind.
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@yvm*f*: what exact happen? u see file 'smartdvb.db' at sdvb folder?
@d*d*: yes sum fnt sizes r h*rd coded, otherwise ugly. What fnt u exact refer to? (my guess wud be 'info' txt, when press OK btn?)..
@jurgen: apologies, i thougt i'd sent u 30100 tst (with name fix i hope). Btw what's correct form to send pm to more then 1 here (otherwise board super slow)? Nd bout the keyboard issue, i wud not mention personal issues, but dutch authoroties have made me awARe that words cud be used at form nd intonation to undermine people, heck i'm not even at my own place nymore nd when i get out the door there's already police there waiting for me (civilian system collaborators, if u don't believe just get over here to make some movie) (how much money's involved with that? i wish they wud have spend just 0.00000000001 of that fr smartdvb but well, i guess that's the form the world turns around) with undermining games, or even when u go at garden (it's all abut frustration and stress nd undermine games, which at end even leads to death), i wud not mention it nymore but it's just a damn supressive sytem we seem to have here for sum.
anyhow, d*d* let me know what fnt ur talking bout i'll try to make it option. Already busy with some options there (like selectable Aspect Ratio for nxt update)..
br -- Jack
edit: @yv: u install tst 3011?
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Hi
Got the 3011tst from jack. After first "disadventure" I followed this way:
secured sdvb from "program" to a new directory I named "sdvbsicher"
let the 03011 setup in the "C:\programs\smartdvb" directory leaving the existing config as it was with sdvb 025
launched 03011
No problems with picture and recording a single channel (4 channels, 1 HDTV and 3 SD, tested)
osd is somewhat very "new", will try to change the font once I figured out how ;)
test period with recording was 4 hours (incl. a 2 hours highdef recording which worked flawless)
next test was the "multirecord" option
this is where I have to surrender at first: once I chose "Multi Record All" next to the record button it started recording 15(!!!) channels
for the first test I only recorded some 15 secs
got 15 recordings (each about 2,5 MB)
My question with the "multirecording" feature is: how can I reduce the quantity of channels on the transponder to 2,3 or 4 of them being recorded?
I would then test with my "Sky" card the feature on one of the transponders they use ;)
The practical problem here is, even if you have nowadays terabyte hd's, if you record 15 ore more channels (with some hdtv incl.) you get a lot of bytes!!
Grettings
Ritchie
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hi,
ok gud to know. Btw i found stupid error wrt install (which shud fix 'transponder' bug!, so pls w8 till nxt update).
u shud b able to just 'select' a chn f*r record at the 'popup' list (instead of select 'multi record all'), nd by this form just start extra recs. Btw still quite busy with the multi decrypt wrt mutli recs. You shud b able to create 'plugins/plugins0/my plugin',
'plugins/plugins1/my plugin' to enable multi decrypt with records. I've tsted non-encrypted records lot but not encrypted.
@jurgen: cud u try older bdas.dev fr*m ur backups? Just to make sure it's bdas.dev related (i have doubts there coz nothing fixed/altered there but who knows?)
update arriving soon
edit: r***b**: tools/settings/smartosd shud have 'smart osd font' btn (no l*nguage sh*rtCUTs at app lol)
btw: u shud b able to create 'plugins0' - 'plugins63' (up to 64 concurrent recs, shud b enuff for now)
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i have update here that shud fix install 'tr*nsponder' issue. Sent it to r* coz he had major issue wrt that. I'm guessing most don't reinstall ofcoz. ym* 's ur sm*rtdvb.db issue corrected? Sounds like a worry..
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the font i'm referring to is "arial". I can set it now and it is stored but size seems to be fixed to 11.
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no mean at what specific spot?, coz there's different f*nt sizes used at the OSD hence i'd need to know (i presume the chn select, which i call 'info' osd element? There indeed the size is 11 i thnk, i thought about that previously so i cud like make that like option coz i realise it cud be not enuff to read when at couch etc...
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i am talking about the "smartosd" font size, that cannot be set and stored.
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@jurgen: cud u try older bdas.dev fr*m ur backups? Just to make sure it's bdas.dev related (i have doubts there coz nothing fixed/altered there but who knows?)
Using the BDAS.dev from 2.5 release gives exactly the same trouble, extreme stuttering and frequent heavy distortion.
Can't dhow the stuttering here, but I could make an examople shot of that distortion.
Concentrates on the lower areas of the frame, happens on both MPEG2 and h.264, SD and HD.
Trouble only occurs with the sat tuner, never on DVB-T
With bda.dev all is OK, smooth sand pretty...
This is very strange, and to me it looks like some weird timing issue, effecting video streams with a good data rate. DVB-T data rate is reduced to around 60% of the same station on Astra over here.
However, I don't have any problem with using Florian bda.dev
And as it seems, up to now I am the only one effected, this issue does not have any priority.
The illegal chars issue is far more important, as such a station or event name capture could prevent a timer event or instant recording from starting at any time, if any of those is set to be used as part of a file name.
Just checked again a minute ago on the 3011tst version, still happens on I>TELE here, due to the symbol >
Losing an important recording event may be painful, for example, if someone promised to do this for his wife, girlfriend or both 8)
We all know, capital punishment may follow... :wall
Best regards
Jürgen
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odd that bdas issue. I presume u exec sdvb non-elevated atm? Cud you see if administrator exec makes difference, otherwise i'll need to research that, i did alter some sdvb compile options while ago so issue might lie there?
I've sent u most recent update (1-12) coz i'm unable to recreate the 'I>tele' issue. It should simply replace the '>' with space (i've tried all possible recrd variations, mpg/ts/epg name/chn name only /multi etc it should w'rk each time). If complications remain i'll have to look closer ofcoz :)
br,
jack
ps: social life for me atm is non existent due to forces outside my own reach like one might imagine due to recent comments i made here which i won't repeat. Suffice to mention i'm not delighted with that, but it seems the only option atm, if society doesn't accept of allow you to widen ur horizon's it's best to just accept that coz like u i recall metioned some time ago, when u'r at need of whatever u won't find it, rest secure that these dutch elements made sure of that (probably my entire life ofcourse, it's just that at this point at my life i've gotten awARe of this to the dism'y i'm sure of lots of those, which ofcourse don't alter their character, it just makes it worse which is also logical if u imagine their livelyhood depends on supressing others, which don't alter the fact that imho to me at least their just killers)
@edit: i see u don't have new custom list view from that image, best to tst that also coz i intend to make that like default list at future coz it's much more customizable compared to normal tree.
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I have to report a problem with the problem report ;)
Where do I have to put the email address so that a report can be sent?
Everytime I close SmartDVB i get the message that an error occured and the sending of the report fails because of the missing email address.
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@snoop: lol, shud not be issue coz e-mail's not required/enforced?? I'll chk nd send u current build.
@ym*: I think ur the one with a weird exception! Cud you perhaps send me ur smartdvb.db?? It might be some weird name issue. I see u select 'all' sats nd have 2 sats? Which sats do u have at chn list?
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Ok, I found out, that it has to do with my firewall, it seems to block the report (I opened it once, you should get the report right now), although SmartDVB has the right to go through ... ???
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ok guess that's one of the disadv*ntages of not executng elevated (u cud also run sdvb with admin rights if u require that ofcoz, then u'd probably not encounter firewell probs etc)...
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I don't think, that is the problem. SmartDVB has all rights to get through the firewall, but the report function seems to be a different programme. Could you tell me the name of it?
Edit: Found it: Crashsender
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ok, should´ve thought about that. Btw to me the app st*rts much quicker now it seems, how that with other here (thus when not elevated?)?
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Yes, starts quite fast, but as I always get an error when quitting SMartDVB, the "tune last channel on startup" does also not function.
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'nd ur not able to send reprt when u get error?
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I sent it already twice. ;)
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Hi jack,
could you check if the function "at end/shutdown" is enabled? That's when you let smart record from - let's say - 15h until 17h and you're out of home and want the computer shut down because you'll be out until late in the evening. Under 025 this worked perfectly. Under 030 I tested this two days ago in the night and right now in the afternoon. Twice it would not work.
Ritchie
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@sn**p: no need.
@r*ch*b**: i just checked this. I think this just runs like expected when the 'record' button (which i call main) 's used, otherwise if multiple rcrds r busy how do i know after which one to 'close/suspend/etc'? Cud also confuse people if allowed at some form with multi-rcrds?? So if u fe st*rted 1 multi-rcrd, then set act 'quit/etc' maybe that confused u? Might be mistaken ofcoz at which situation still cud b real bug :).
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odd that bdas issue. I presume u exec sdvb non-elevated atm? Cud you see if administrator exec makes difference
All recent tests are done with admin rights of the user AND activated from the desktop icon link props.
Though, also paths may be an issue there.
So the next tests will include running SmartDVB from another partition, either NTFS or FAT32, and may well be, also without admins rights for the exe, granted by link props.
Hope to find the time later on Monday.
And it is the December 1st version already, also in my latest PM report.
Or to be more precise, it should be.
How could I find out for sure, as the .exe file creation / change date and time are identical, same as the version displayed?
Right now, I am just installing every test update directly over the existing one, not side by side.
But may be next time I should change the install path again, to be on the safe side.
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Hi
tried twice again since yesterday to shut down computer via smart 0311 under Vista. First test yesterday evening from 20:00 hours until 22:00 hours single record was on and option "at end" was set to shutdown (22:00). At 22:05 nothing happened, system still running. Next test with single record was this morning 01:00 hours. Option "at end" was set to 03:00 hours (shut down). Went to bed and this morning system was running.
Anybody out here who can test this function? Just to make sure that this behaviour is not only related to my system.
Ritschie
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@jurgen: hmm, i'll make sure to alter the version # each time now (been careless with that so for, although internal installer version needs tb altered each time, not necessarily smartdvb.exe, but i'll make sure of that nxt time also coz i remember i think r*ch*b** (if i remember correct) also having such issue, which i never really found i remember, back then it seemed sometimes the install didn't alter the .exe which lead to confusion.
@r*ch*b**: hold ur horses! I think i found the issue (code's altered coz of the multi-rcrds). I think it fails if you initialize record (main) 'nd alter the 'quit/shutdown/etc' option through menu afterwards, if it's set before it seems to work (if i go the logic now). Testing nd hopefully fixed with next update! Excuses for the mixup (well i just tsted it wrong didn't realise there were like 2.0001 paths! :)...
tx tx tx:)
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thx jack ;)
Good to know that it's not a personal or system based error. I think one can live with that for the time being. And you're right: I always set first the "remaining" time" and then I click the "shut down" button...
Ritchie
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@jurgen: hmm, i'll make sure to alter the version # each time now (been careless with that so for, although internal installer version needs tb altered each time, not necessarily smartdvb.exe, but i'll make sure of that nxt time also coz i remember i think r*ch*b** (if i remember correct) also having such issue, which i never really found i remember, back then it seemed sometimes the install didn't alter the .exe which lead to confusion.
Confirmed.
The extra .exe you've provided me with today did work, and the nasty illegal file name issue seems to be gone.
Just tested several other station name captures, like some including question marks.
Space instead of illigal chars obviously does the job.
Hope this is a 100% solution.
Have not yet looked into Windows file names limitations all to deep.
But there's one thing I am aware of:
Normally Windows does not allow a user, to start a file name with a space.
For testing only I've set name generation rule to
%C%Y%M%D-%H%m%S%C
Now using a station with a name like
?ONTV? Regional
(on 11523H22000 19.2'°E)
leads to a record file name starting with a space.
Find my screen shot attached and look at it precisely ;)
BTW, once using copy and paste for such a file, or just trying to renaming it, Windows would remove the starting space automatically.
So from my point of view, it would be better to change for _ instead of space, at least if the illegal char is the leading one.
Else a name starting with a space may possibly lead to trouble, like with some system tools.
Hope this helps
Jürgen
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ok good to know. Still odd coz like i mentioned this seems to have happend in the past too sometimes, so still wonder why you seem to have had older .exe version with newer installs, but also cud be i made an error ofcourse (i like now have to maintain source code for each test version i send out, this is needed to be able to debug the reports, which i needed some getting used to so to speak, so i might have made an error here nd there switching from debug/release mode etc nd all possible compile options while making a new setup occasionally :). Have not had much new reports, or many at all tbh, so looks ok for now, so much so that i've started making some other goodies :)
br,
jack
edit: oh nd btw that new exe shoud also have the 'AR' fix talked about (ar switch options at smartosd settings for options, dbl-clk)
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Fine.
oh nd btw that new exe shoud also have the 'AR' fix talked about (ar switch options at smartosd settings for options, dbl-clk)
Tested quickly and looks OK as well.
Of course, more testing will follow, whenever I find some time.
Thanks a lot
Jürgen
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ok, I don't know if I am the only one. I am testing the 30-11 version and scanning does not work correctly using tevii or TTs2. Using the exact same settings as for 0.25. After reaching the switch frequency 1170000, I am getting mostly a "no signal" message on 0192. For 11670 H and 11686V on Astra I got the same channels for some reason. Unusual characters in channnel names also appear. Any idea?
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After reaching the switch frequency 1170000, I am getting mostly a "no signal" message on 0192. For 11670 H and 11686V on Astra I got the same channels for some reason
Nothing like this happening here.
So perhaps this may depend on hardware, like device file and settings used.
. Unusual characters in channnel names also appear. Any idea?
I have mentioned this before, in a slightly different context:
It's not just I>TELE at 11817 V 27500 19.2°E, but also several stations on 11523 H 27500 there, that come with ? in the station name captures.
And on 12148 H 27500 you can find even more strange station names like
†DELUXE‡ MUSIC
Such characters / symbols are not illegal for file names, but I am wondering, if those should be there at all.
Suppose such nasty elements should be changed to _ normally.
So, possibly solving issues with nasty characters in station name captures may indeed be the next step to go...
An important detail:
Such symbols are not only to be found at the beginning of a name, but also at any other position, but then always between words, as it seems.
Just compared with my receiver, rescanned 12148 H 27500 and got DELUXE MUSIC, not †DELUXE‡ MUSIC, and with no leading space or nonsense and just one space between the words, nothing else.
Terratec Home Cinema Basic, the original soft for my sat tuner, also does not show that nasty symbols. Just rescanned 12148 H 27500 there, to make sure.
Best regards
Jürgen
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@d*d*: didn't this scan prob occur with previous 030 tst versions? (assuming bda.dev is selected module? please make sure of that coz bdas.dev would be more inclined to have issues with lofs. If bda.dev is indeed selected what r the exact settings there, direct tuning enabled perhaps etc etc?). These unusual characters u mention also didn´t apper at previous 0.2.5?
ok odd chrs issue will be looked at, should be simple nuff...
br,
jack
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Hi Jack,
just did a direct comparison with 0.25 and 30-11. Device : Tevii at bda.dev. Settings: 8psk default; tuning: standard; s2: not defined; committed diseqc: LNB + Reg params. Default timeouts for scanning increased by 2-fold. Scanning with 0.25 is smooth and quick. With 30-11 faulty at low lof, mostly no signal at high lof. Then took the 0.25 sdvb.db and put it in 30-11. Funny result: sometimes only channels below 117000 work and sometimes only those above. I vaguely remember that I did this also in the beginning using the first 0.3 without noticing a problem there.
br, dada
I forgot: don't see unusual characters in 0.25
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@d*d*: cud u try also the bda.dev from 0.2.5 with 0.3.0 sdvb .exe? There r some alterations to bda.dev concerning signal detection, although for tevii i don't think this should matter a lot coz that uses tevii.dll library which has it's own signal detect routines, so odd. If you alter bda.dev settings (there r some new settings there also concerning signal detection). I presume tevii is correct selected at settings etc? And ur tt shows the same also?
btw: odd chrs issue indeed's introduced issue, already fixed...
edit: i'm sending u url with current bda.dev build, just to make sure...
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just quick answer, yes, the TT shows the same behavior. Will test the bda.dev tonight. Need to work now.
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Spooky, isn't it?
I am having issues with bda.dev as well, some effecting the sat tuner only.
Well, I am really happy to see, jackjavo is willing to locate and fix any possible bugs precisely.
This is a very big difference to Prog, who tortured us with quick and dirty hot fixes for years, never ever doing a real repair and removing a bug to solve a problem, but always just trying to just bypass or cover it somehow.
So in fact ProgDVB should still have a version number far below 1.0, whereas SmartSDVB 0.25 could already have been called 2.x in comparison...
Due to half way known recent installer issues, I decided to continue testing 0.3 after a completely fresh install, as some corruption may have happened here.
After an intensive clean up, of course.
As I am quite busy right now, this may have to wait for a day or two.
I won't touch SmartDVB 0.2.5 on the other machine now, as that one is my proven working fall back system.
The coming up third one waits until I can avail an SSD for it...
Best regards
Jürgen
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Yes, Jürgen, I did exactly the same. I have a very safe 0.25 running, and complete fresh install of 0.3 to play around with. And I agree completely on the Prog issue!
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Hello Jack,
tested previous bda.dev now with 0.3 and both cards: same problem. the lof change at 117000 does not seem to happen reliably. To me it seems to be related to 0.3 therefore because there is no problem whatsoever in this respect with 0.2.5. In addition, there ist, at least here, a noticable difference between 0.25 and 0.3 with the same bda.dev (from 0.3). 0.3 is slower and claims more "no signal" transponders.
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ok d*d* tx for the tsts. I've sent u update with bda/bdas/exe. About bdas i think i located bug which might have lead to problems (i could actually reproduce the issues somewhat here, at least it worked unreliable for me too, which for me altered when enabling the bdas/settings 'use tif/multiplexer'.
About the bda issues, still somewhat unclear for me, but cud you also look at this. Is it only unreliable with the scanner at various lofs? (ie when you actually tune the station you have reliable tunes with bda.dev?). I think the problem might lie with some minor alterations i made to the scanner recently to try to increase speed there. I could have located the tevii issue, but not sure about the tt which uses the more general signal measure code (which i also use nd seems reliable to me). So question is do the issues only seem to arrise with the scanner nd not normal tune (that would be kinda logical to me then nd narrow down the search)?
Anyhow i'm sending u current build like mentioned.
br,
jack
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@ jackjavo
0.3 recognizes not sr 29700. in Tranponderliste sr 29700 is good ,but in 0.3 is 27500, the transponders of the D +
I have as the others, installed over 0.25, and now 0.3 works only once. direct installation for me not work>>>crash
yvmifi
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Scan transponder is very good!!!
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@ yvmifi
On that second picture, the nasty symbols in the station names seem to have been gone.
Did this happen on the transponder scan you've just made?
Auf dem zweiten Bild sind die seltsamen Symbole in den Stationsnamen weg.
Kam das jetzt so beim Transponderscan raus?
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@ Jürgen
Ja ich habe die Astra Satelitenliste gelöscht, dann Sendersuchlauf, hat auch jetzt die sr 29700 erkannt, nach meiner meinung alle Sender gefunden
und die komischen Zeichen sind weg. jackjavo hat mir eine neue SmartDVB.exe und neue BDA und BDAS geschickt.
Nur eins, ich habe den 0.3 über einen 0.25 drüber installiert.
Eine eigenstädige Installation crascht nach Sendersuchlauf.
Ich werde heute Abend mal versuchen eine neue Installation zu machen und bevor ich einen Sendersuchlauf mache die neue SmartDVB.exe und BDA reinzulegen.
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@jrgen: just tb clear, i shud also have sent u same like yv*
@yvm*: those exceptions u had i think r related to the new custom list, so new install should not make much difference (but more list updates etc ofcoz when save new chns at first sc*n after install ofcourse etc). And some other testers here perhaps don't eve use new list. Maybe i should make legacy tree list view default at new installs?
Anyhow current bda.dev/sc*n issues r much more important to resolve atm so i'll concentrate at that for now...
br..
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Hello @all
I've just finished my tests with sdvb 0311. Multirecording with CI/CAM/Card is working but 2nd and 3rd recording are in a crypted stream that won't let you do video editing or play the streams with VLC, etc.. So ATM multirecording with CAM/Card is still a working place. The shutdown procedure with time programming via the options button right next to the recording button is not working in my config even with jackjavo's workaround given in post #54.
Installation/Setup method seems to be a critical process. Setup gives you 2 choices: the first one installs sdvb so that you can use it without admin rights, the second requires admin rights. Whereas the first option installs under "user/username/Appdata/Local" a 2nd smartdvb directory (which is critical for all functions of the program) the one with compulsary admin rights installs itself without installing a "twin" directory" in the "user" directory (dada seems to have chosen this kind of install). If program behaviour differs according to the install process, I don't know. I had chosen the option 1 install method.
One thing in this test reporting looks very disturbing to me: There seem to be different sdvb versions out here in the public. As long as I cannot read a distinct number wirth the version (like the one I had was the 0311) I cannot differentiate the output of these tests. So either:
- jackjavo writes here the version of the beta pack he's sending out (i.e. 0315 for example) or
- people testing refer to such a version number .
I would prefer when people reporting about results would declare their beta version number. If not, I think the tracing for bug elimination becomes very difficult!
rg
Ritchie
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Hi r*tschib**:
once again tx for all the feedback people supply here, it's invaluable..
I pm'd u about the ci/cam/crd issue, won't work out of the box now i'm quite sure, requires special ci/cam support specific for the ci/cam device (for tt for example i cud be able to figure that out, depends if public sdk's r there for specific ci/cam devices, like mentioned about tt i'm quite sure it's floating around at the net).
I'll make sure to update the .exe version # from, but until now i made sure the date was set with the a*rchives (rar) so people should be able to differentiate like that 's thought. Wrt myself it's not issue coz the error reports require explicit coupling to source code so i should be able to find correct version no matter what.
About install, the thought's to still allow some kind of portabele install. I'm afraid necessity to install elsewere wrt no admin rights 's just there (coz otherwise files etc 'r impossible to create at 'program files' install folder). But for the sake of simplicity 'nd to not confuse people maybe this should be removed or altered?
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Hi Jack,
I tested the new sdvb.exe and bda.dev you sent. The scanning/tuning problem remains for both cards (TTs2 and Tevii USB). Either the transponder scan below the switch frequency works or only above. The same happens when tuning to channels directly. Sometimes, when I switch cards and sdvb is running, that "specificity" for the high or low band toggles too.
I also tried the manual scan option. In the older bda.dev version all parameters had to be set. In the version you sent me, a transponder can be marked and the values then show up in the manual box what is nice, but sr is not set and remains 0 for the tevii and a nonsense number like 49351976 for the TT and no scan result, of course. In addition, for the tevii, putting in the correct sr leads to a correct scan, but then selecting another transponder and leaving the sr at 0 always results in the very same list of channels found previously, odd.
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hi d*d*...
ok i'll look at the default params for that scan option :). Indeed i think i quickly made that while back..
but ur bda.dev issues r more worrysome.
Seeing two total different tune paths (tevii/tt) lead to same issues makes me think it might be actual
sdvb related issue. Could you check ur sat settings to see if the correct linear LNB is selected? And also r u using diseqc nd does operation change if you set (send diseqc at each transponder change?). I forgot to mention this but for correct commited/uncommited diseqc operations this might be required (like also mentioned at that option, i have commited switch here now which doesn't tune correctly if that options not set also, might be i should have mentioned this before)..
br,
jack
edit: also i think this option's not enabled by default at new install so maybe it's more prudent to enable this by default (i prefer to not enable it by deafault co zit´s the quickest option nd most users probably don´t require it, but cud lead to confusion (maybe a seperate or new setup stage would be prudent for this where one can select specific options concerning diseqc etc, but let's leave that till next tst coz enough to tst for now)...
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Hi Jack,
now I am really embarrased :embarassed:! I should have thought about that myself! Issue is gone by checking this option.
Two very minor other things I noticed: The little "lock" icon does not react to decryption and I am missing the timing option for SmartOSD. It shows up in the settings.ini, set to 5 sec. I changed it to 3 sec but with no effect. It seems to stay on for sometimes 15 or 20 sec.
br
dada
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I can confirm, after a(ny kind of) rescan, the strange chars in station names are gone now.
The new bdas.dev from Dec. 5th seems to work far better now, on my sat tuner.
So more intensive testing will follow soon.
Das Verschwinden der seltsamen Zeichen in den Stationsnamen kann ich bestätigen, sobald auf beliebige Art nachgescannt wird.
Das neue bdas.dev vom Mittwoch scheint hier jetzt auf Sat deutlich besser zu laufen.
Also können hier jetzt die ernsthaften Tests losgehen.
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@ Jürgen
Warum kann ich die 0.3 nicht mit der Installationrute neu in D:\Fernsehprogramme installieren.Auch nicht mit der neuen SmartDVB.exe .Ich installiere alles in den Hauptordner. Es lässt sich alles einstellen>>Sendersuche läuft bestens und wenn ich speichern will crasht er. Nehme ich aber einen 0.25 und
installieren den 0.3 darüber, dann läuft es bestens. Ich habe däfür keine Erklärung oder was mache ich hier falsch.
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@yvmifi
Entschuldige, wenn ich mich einmische. Da die setup-Routine von 030 beta zwei verschiedene Insatallationsroutinen (Programmstart mit oder ohne Admin-Rechte) anbietet, wär's hilfreich, wenn Du vielleicht (nochmal?) schreibst, wie Du installiert hast. Wenn Du die Option 1 (Programmstart ohne Admin-Rechte) installiert hast, weiss man halt, dass die setup-Routine ein Konfigurationsverzeichnis in der Benutzer Appdata aufgebaut hat. Ich fänd's halt auch noch angebracht (s. mein Post weiter unten), wenn man schreiben würde welche Version (Datum o.ä.) man benutzt :)
sry for any inconvenience
Ritschie
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hi,
i've sent new tst to all here (dated now) to have common situation.
@yvm*f*: cud you see if ur install issue still occurs with current tst nd if so re-send report?
@r*tch*b**: there still were some 'timer' paths wrong wrt to timed rcrds. Timer time wud be set correct but the duration of already run rcrds wud not be updated correct, code's altered now to also update the progress at current record (so now when you update or select new timer duration the progress should also show that correct). Excuses for inconveniences with that, code's been altered wrt multi-rcrds, 'nd also should now work better 'nd more reliable then previous
br,
jj
edit: nd d*d*, stupid 'encrypted' image bug shud be solved too..
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ritschibie
Ich installiere immer nur Option 2 . Ich möchte nicht wie beim DVBViewer unter C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Michael Fischer\Anwendungsdaten einen Ordner haben der Teile des SmartDvb hat. Es ist, oder sollte alles in dem Hauptordner installiert sein und ich denke SmartDvb kann nach der 1. Sendersuche die Datei nicht bilden, wo die Sender hin sollen!!! Ist aber die Senderliste von der 0,25 im Ordner, dann kann er das.
Ich habe die vom 30.11. mit der letzten SmartDvb.exe und dem neuen BDA und BDAS.
ich installiere nicht unter C: sondern in D: weil ich dort alle Fernsehprogramme drin habe.
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@yvm*f*: ok tx wrt description, i'll tst that option better then too just tb sure...!
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Hi Jack,
i did not get an PM, so I assume I already have the latest version.
Did you get my error reports? Everytime I quit SmartDVB, I get an error.
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@yvm*f*: i think it's just issue with u not exec app like 'Administrator'. I'll chk if possible to alter this when 'program files' install. It's possible to alter to exec with default admin rights (smartdvb.exe file properties/compatibility (compatibilitat at ger i hope?)/administrator option.
@sn**p: yup shud fixed... New tst sent to all, i'll chk (sometimes 60 sec rule 'nd slow)
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Same error again (sent you the report). I uninstalled the old version and installed the new one. I think I try to delete the settings also and install real fresh.
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odd then. It's exact same spot, also after plug*ns dll stop, cud be plug*in related?
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I have only one plugin installed: MDTeletext
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Deinstalled it and the error is gone :)
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Thx Jack for sending out one test sample for all. Hope that I can make a test run this evening and test the timer function. Report will follow tomorrow morning. Thx again :)
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Just played around with the new 0612 beta a bit.
Conditions as usual, installed directly over the existing previous one, at C:\SmartDVBtst and all files inside, nothing into my personal folders.
SmartOSD TXT AR is correct at 4:3 now.
TXT page changing is NOT possible by NUM block keys for 90+ % of my tries. Just one or two times I succeeded on this, weird...
Standard MS HID compatible keyboard in use here, with all default settings and no extra software.
Number keys on the main key block always do work.
If NUM LOCK released, the arrow keys also don't work, most of the time (like left / right for page down / up).
Keep in mind, Windows treats NUM block keys separately.
That's also obvious when teaching in keyboard controls for remote ;)
On normal TXT, NUM block controls are OK.
BTW, ho would I select a sub page, if available?
Closing SmartDVB with TXT or SmartOSD TXT open leads to a crash (and report).
How can I set the page for TXT subs on a station and really activate them then?
Can't yet be used directly from normal or SmartOSD TXT, as both don't provide full transparency for the background of that special page.
And here the SmartOSD controls won't activate TXT subs, possibly due to the valid page number not known to the system.
DVB subs aren't in use on German stations.
More testing will follow tomorrow.
Best regards
Jürgen
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Hi,
I installed the sdvbst612 (titled 0.3.02 in the program) with opton 2 to the "programs" folder, accidentally forgot to delete the smartdvb directory under "Appdata" causing program to start without asking admin rights (wonder if deleting the appdata directory results in sdvb asking at start for admin rights? Will try this later in the day.).
Test results "timer set recording": I tested this feature twice setting the "at end" option to shutdown. Smartdvb shut down the PC on both occasions. Test passed!
Test result "frequency scanning": I made a rescan of the "Hotbird" frequencies (after copying transponders from "programs" to "appdata"). It detected new channels and at a quick look I found no anomalies in the scan.
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Just rescanned all five sat positions (DiSEqC 1.1 controlled uncommitted 8/1) and DVB-T, most results seem to be fine, and in any case stable.
Will concentrate on possibly missing or failing transponders soon, compare with kingofsat and lyngsat tables.
Last time I did this was many months ago, well before the London olympics.
However, I did not yet succeed on NIT scanning (on sat).
Have to look after this more intense, 'cause if I remember well, this did work before, on 0.2.5
But I forgot to write down working seed transponders then :Kopf
Best regards
Jürgen
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ok gud to hear it's reasonable atm..
here's state of current issues nd queries..
num lock: i've added specific num-lock process to key process routines (to treat num-lock like specific seperate key, i gather frm ur comments u wud like the num-pd arrows to work either form? sounds odd to me nd also not how windows treats that, but right atm at current build like said num-lock is seperate now)..
nit: don't remember updating something there but also don't seem to be able to do NIT scn? Still have to tst with 0.2.5 then, cud be bug, otherwise like u maybe i'm unable to find seed frequencies too?? Code looks ok nd like said untouched...
ttx: ur right ttx subs weren't there yet i noticed (like u mention i focussed on dvb subs nd if old vmr osd's on it functions ofcourse, busy with that i think it's almost there). Nd also subpage select's not there atm (tbh ttx module never had my main focus at previous times :), it now just auto scrolls them. I'll leave that atm. Oh nd btw u were right bout that exception when ttx selected, fixed with build i have here..
@edit: oh nd did nyone tst the remote yet? like also 'remote tab' fixes/alterations. Or even like 'nr' ch*nnel select (which's also been altered)...
@r*tch*b**: I found issue with installer related to admin rights exec when 'program files' (at actual fact it wud work if installed exact at 'program files', but not if fe: c:\mysmartdvb ;)) i think this the never functioned correct
br
ps: i'll try to not send to much seperate 'exe/bda' etc etc update, coz it might not confuse me but cud confuse researchers :)
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I have still one little nagging problem:
When starting SmartDVB I have to click on a channel, alhough the option "Show last channel on restart" is active ...
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As far as I am testing, everything is working fine (thank you, Jack). Playing with the multirecording option I have a tremendous CPU load problem. My hardware see below. Especially with HD channels plus decryption, CPU load increases by a factor of about 3 which means 100% with my old system and a "no go", stuttering, and unusable recordings. With SD, load increases by approximately a factor of 2. Can this be mended? I am thinking about the PIP function which should be not so difficult to implement now that the selected streams can be handled separately.
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@ dada
You might want to think about going for a more modern graphics card, that provides full hardware support for both, h.264 and MPEG2 video decoding.
AFAIK the cheapest GeForce types with full hardware support are 210 and 520, both also available with passive cooling, and really cheap.
Important to have is the video processing hardware version VP4.
I am not sure if all models above 210 provides this, so if in any doubt, check wikipedia for "geforce" and look before bargaining ;)
Equivalent tech at ATI is UVD 3.0, starting with HD 6450. Excluded are the HD 67** models, that still provide UVD 2.0 only.
Also ask wikipedia for "radeon", to make sure.
At least the MS DTV-DVD decoders, provided for free for Windows 7, can and will use that hardware decoding in full.
Normally WMP would acquire them automatically, once you tried to play a .ts recording with h.264 for the first time.
As usually that file type is not registered, just open WMP and drag & drop the file from Windows Explorer.
This way I have around 6 - 7 % CPU load on h.264 in FullHD here, with all the cores running on 800 MHz idle only...
Tried GeForce 210 and 520 and Radeon HD 6450 and 6570 on my former machines, with really good results.
The slowest one used a single core Sempron 140 then, 2,7 GHz.
The oldest one had an Athlon (64) x2 6000 at 3.1 GHz and an old nForce 550 chipset.
All results were excellent, once the hardware decoding was used.
Using pure software decoding instead, always lead to an enormous load and often more than 100 Watts extra AC power draw, plus all the annoyances of reaching CPU load limits, you've just mentioned...
Sorry, I just don't like to translate all this into German now, but I am sure, I did post all this more than once already.
@ Snoop
Let us know about your install path and mode (extra files in personal folder or inside of the install folder).
Here, all in C:\SmartDVBtst, the last used station comes up automatically, on the tuner last used, of course.
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Config goes to install folder, C:\Program Files (x86)\SmartDvb
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@d*d*: like jurgen mentions indeed hw accel's might provide assistance. But, beside that there r possible improvements but not major one´s with current architecture, other solutions wud require much more work so i´ll have to suspend that for now (coz otherwise it'll be endless beta cycles like previous year :). But like u mention, my fingers 'r itched to implement some of the features u talk about. coz ur right there :)
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Thanks Jack and Jürgen,
I was afraid, my ancient hardware could be a problem :-\
I guess, I will get myself a christmas present ;)
br, dada
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i've sent current build to all (i hope). Took some time coz ttx s*btitles needed to be made (with new SmartOSD), needs to be looked at still. While at it also added s*bpages (up/down kb at ttx).
Also mdapi decrypt with multi rcrds been altered to try to improve speed, d*d* cud u look at that?
Mdapi alterations r rather low level, but if stuff´s broken it´s easy to revert, still might be worth the trouble...
Otherwise just fixes...
br
Jack
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Hi Jack,
what a tremendous difference with respect to multirecording. Whatever I tried, SD, HD, encrypted or not, CPU load increased at the most by 10%. I do not know what you did, but you did the right thing ;Beifall.
However, interestingly, with respect to future PIP, when playing back the recordings (using TS player from DVBViewer) and SDVB was running at the same time there was some stuttering in the previously encrypted played back recordings. When Smart was not running, they were perfect!
Tell me what I can test to help resolve this issue! I will try some other combinations of SD HD encrypted or not channles and report.
Thanks for this dramatic improvement, Jack!
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I have just tested Teletext a bit more, on the new build:
- once I have closed any of the TTX versions, then opening it or the other version, it does not bring up any content, until I restart SmartDVB. Even station change does not help.
- how would I select between sub pages, once they are cached? I can see them coming in on the new bottom line, but I don't find a way for random access.
BTW, my receiver caches all sub pages in the background (up to the hardware limits of cacheable area, around 1500 pages, which is not really enough).
It seems , SmartDVB does not cache sub pages before a page is selected.
Well, modern computers should not suffer from RAM shortage anymore ;)
- still I can't control SmartOSD TTX pages from my keyboard's NUM block, whatever I try.
- still no idea, how I could set the TTX subs page. SmartOSD TTX subs function complains about no page being set...
From my point of view, this should be part of channel properties, as in fact, the page used does vary between stations and providers.
For example, on German ARD stations normally they are on P 150, on ZDF stations on P 777.
- in fact, DVB subs have arrived some German stations now, like "Das Erste HD" and "ZDF HD".
After some seconds, the SmartOSD DVB subs function displays the DEC ID, but it won't show the content.
Can't make a screen shot of this now, as Irfanview won't capture SmartOSD :-\
May well be I have to play around with renderers again...
- semi graphic pages seem to have display or decoding issues, as behind that special symbols would repeat up to the end of the line or tthe next valid symbol.
The screen shot attached is meant to show this.
Obviously this does not effect all of that special symbols, as you can see on the station title.
Does not depend on the font in use, in any way.
Best regards
Jürgen
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ok gud to know, no major mdapi alteration needed after all :)
i've looked at ttx station issue, shud b solved with current build.
wrt dvb titles 'channels/enable dvb subtitles processing' needs to be checked for dvb titles to b processed at all.
wrt ttx titles, 'channels/teletext subtitle/save' stores current ttx title page (indeed, it's a station property, should be read by sc*nner but i'm not sure if that's issue coz sometimes the title page data's just not there, but cud be sc*nner bug still, have not looked much at that). S*b page select should be possible with 'UP/down' kb.
Also num-block shud also operate now with ttx (tsted this time myself :)).
anyhow, i'll pm current build..
oh about ur stutter issue, not sure, could be process priority which's been altered with 0.3.0 (cud you look if same occurs with 0.2.5 executed, might just be media pl*yer issue, cud be other pl*yer doesn't stutter?)
br,
jack
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oh, good idea jack, i will try other players to resolve this issue!
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Quuick test results for sdvbtst1312 build:
- SmartOSD DVB subs are working now 8)
Though, on full screen they don't display here.
Back to normal window, working again.
n.b. SmartOSD and SmartOSD TTX do work even if changing between normal window and full screen video
Is there a way to switch DVB subs off instantly, without use of the settings menue?
Double click won't toggle here, whereas on TTx it does.
- SmartOSD TTX now survives station change, even if still opened then.
Still, to change TTX version I have to restart SmartDVB, as else content won't load.
- still neither TTX window nor SmartOSD TTX would allow to select between sub pages already cached.
n.b. by default, UP / DOWN keys are defined to change channel up / down.
Changed this to NUM block + / - key, but still then, no sub page control.
- another little issue on SmartOSD TTX just appeared:
TTX font, font size and char set (e.g. western / turkish / central european) have gotten unstable, they seem to change several times after a station change or just opening TTX.
- where to set initial SmartOSD timings?
On SmartDVB start, the main OSD component feels to stay up almost endlessly, and it can't even be escaped then, before the first station change.
Still a pre beta, so no need to hurry on anything.
I am just trying to be as precise as possible, on one aspect after the other.
Not insisting but relaxed, of course!
Best regards
Jürgen
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Positive feedback from my site, too :D
The start with tuning the last channel works now! :jo
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Hi,
This time I installed the 3.0.3 version as a "standalone" only in the "Programs" folder (option 2 of the setup). I had deleted the "sdvb" folder in "Appdata/Local" before. No probs with this procedure. Of course I had to open the program with admin rights (like 0.2.5).
First thing I did was a rescan of Astra 19.2 and Hotbird 13. Scans took longer than on 0.2.5 with more or less same amount of transponders to scan) but the result was fine.
Next was a multirecord effort recording simultaneously 3 channels from the "Sky" provider. As expected: same result as before: 1 recording would work the other two were seemingly still scrambled.
The timer caused shutdown of the PC worked. No probs here.
Letting german language dll work results in a suppression of the "Help" menue. Seems like Jack has changed something in this menue.
One thing which is maybe different from the 0.2.5 version ist the amount of time that a change of the "Aspect ratio" is effective once chosen. Under 0.2.5 if I remember well, this lasted a few minutes. Under 3.0.x it's only effective 2 or 3 seconds. Is there any reason behind?
Next step will be the installation of teh new beta which was sent out yesterday.
Thx
Ritschie
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@ ritschibie
Indeed, there have been some tiny changes on AR handling recently, mainly due to early issues with the new SmartOSD controls.
What exactly were you talking about, AR changes on the transmission itself?
If so, I will also put my focus on this here, throughout the next couple of days.
Needs some time then, as this is not happening all to often any more, on stations I can bear to watch for more than just a moment, before feeling urged to change...
BTW, does anybody know a HD station, that may use true 4:3 occasionally, instead of letterboxing vertically into to 16:9 frames?
ARD and ZDF HD stations are letterboxing 4:3 material in any case. Same goes for all of the British HD I know.
I have not found any HD in true 4:3 yet, anamorphic or square pixels, but if any exists, this should surely be worth to try.
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@Jürgen. Sorry, my report was a little bit "shortcut" :embarassed:
What I meant was that one can change the AR rightclicking in the video picture and choose betwen "4:3", "16:9" and the respective "zooms". The "zoom" option gives you a full picture in the video window. Enabling this under 0.2.5 leads to a full picture longer than 1 minute (if I remember well) whereas under 03.0.3 it lasts only for 2,3 seconds. So, I did not mean AR changes in the transmission itself but those caused by manipulating the picture box.
In the past I found some 4:3 videos on Arte HD which would nor could be "zoomed". Would be interesting to have a look at the regional HD providers like NDR HD when they broadcast old black&white films how they transmit this material.
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ARD and ZDF HD stations always transmit in 16:9, and if using 4.3 material, they would always letterbox it vertically.
Means, height would be upscaled to 720p (sometimes in future 1080i), and black sections attached to both sides.
Things get more complicated, if older material originally was produced in a cinema format, then letterboxed horizontally into 4:3 576i and stored this way.
Being retransmitted over their SD stations, this may then be used as it is, 4:3 frame containing cinema format in a letterbox.
But on the HD station you would at the same time find a transmission with double letterboxing, black sectors all around the picture.
For example, this happened earlier this night, when "Dark Star" was shown on 3sat HD.
The original film was scanned in 16.9, then letterboxed horizontally to 4:3 SD, then upscaled and letterboxed vertically to 16:9 HD. More than half of the screen area was nothing but pitch black then :o
So to zoom this up to FullScreen on a wide screen, you would need a zoom method, that does NOT effect aspect ratio.
However, upscaling material from less than original NTSC / VGA resolution (netto) to FullHD normally is supposed to make your eyes water ;guck
I've seen that film in a local cinema around 1980, of course from the usual 35 mm copy (and in English), and today's HDTV "experience" on my 32" FullHD screen in fact was a pain in the back...
I have even tried to use the zoom function on my big screen, as that's supposed to bring best possible results on it's panel. But no way, had to stop this visual torture after a while.
Means, those stations we are forced to pay for by law, should not wait any longer but start getting new scans from the original celluloid or Blu-ray at least, RIGHT NOW!!! The days of stone age 3rd gen VHS copies out of the deep dusty cellar of Leo Kirch MUST END.
Anything else could be seen as physical injury and a severe insult for both, your eyes and the original art work...
Have to stop now, as else I might lose my temper... :wall
However, have you tried to switch AR / zoom from SmartOSD recently?
I have not seen any issues with AR changes being limited to a minute or just seconds.
In daily use, normally I don't really need those zoom functions here.
So I may have to play around a little with both, 0.3.0 and 0.2.5, to try and reproduce this.
BTW, I did not watch the AR transmission changes I've mentioned, yet.
So any results / findings on this will have to wait...
Jürgen
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However, have you tried to switch AR / zoom from SmartOSD recently?
I have not seen any issues with AR changes being limited to a minute or just seconds.
Yessir, I tried via rightclicking in the picture and via smartosd to zoom the picture. Same result on both methods: picture will be zoomed for 1 or 2 seconds and then return to original size. As noone else seems to have tried this feature maybe jackjavo can have a look into it?
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ok, I tried this feature with the same results as ritschibies. SDVB reacts immediately but resumes to the previous situation within a second or two. I also played with TXT and had the same experience as Jürgen explained in his report.
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Weird...
I must confirm, right click or SmartOSD AR switch / zoom / stretch action indeed drops back to default most of the time, after a second or two.
Happens with any renderer here, though it seems, a few zoom switches may occasionally be successful on ye ol' VMR7.
Even then, try again, and back to default it goes...
What is this, a reset after a number of new GOPs starting or some strange other timing?
However, the SmartOSD based zoom in / zoom out function seems to work reliably.
BTW, when SmartDVB is started, SmartOSD initial station display quite often won't close for a pretty long time, and I can't even escape it then.
Plus, opening the extended event info from it, how to close this then?
Normally I would expect the ESC key to help.
Seems, toggling to full screen or back often does help then, but that's not the proper way.
Have not yet found the time, to wait if that initial SmartOSD would perhaps close after minutes then.
Well, in the digital world, I won't expect myself to use words like "quite often" or "most of the time", as there is no boolean expression for this.
But anyway, this is exactly what I am watching now.
Whatever kind of bug this might be, it must have a strange kind of humour... ???
Such a neat bug surely should get it's own smiley on our board soft ;D
To late for now, getting tired
CU
Jürgen
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hoho. AR issue's actual new feature made some time ago, if AR alters at stream sdvb now detects this 'nd reset's AR detected at stream (history.txt should tell that, when altered, so if station switches from 4/3 - 16/9 while tuned AR alteration is detected nd altered (u could also see if that operates ok, so if 4/3-16/9 switch's detected ok). . That it actually alters AR after some seconds would be logical then . Right now if you select general option 'set AR from source' sdvb alters AR at station switch to actual AR detected from station mp2/h264 header (this also after tune if AR alteration from source is detected). So if you need same selected AR to be maintained that option needs to be set to off atm. I could make this seperate option :), i could add some 'general' option wrt that, somewhat like 'detect AR switch from source' to seperate it from 'set AR from source'? (u could assist with name choice :)). I'll also see to alter code so that once AR's altered after station switch it's not reset again by AR detect code (this could be seperate from that option ofcourse, coz if user chooses to alter it's logical to not alter it again at that station, but 'set AR from source' would be at effect again after next switch ofcourse. Now i think of it could be latter is sufficient without need for extra option (the less options the better ofcourse to not confuse too much)??
Btw i'm still busy with some alterations, especially wrt teletext coz some stuff there still needs to be done (low priority till now).
Also wrt ttx s*btitle switch. Right now i've altered menu to switch off too. But i could also add like seperate 'subtitle' remote option for switch ofcourse (could be even like seperate dvb-subtitles/ttx-subtitles remote, whatever people wud prefer). Also i'm busy with ttx lnks-select, what remote options would be most approriate for that (like red/green etc, or seperate remote options?).
Also, cache's there, it just needs to not be reset at same station switch etc. But if you mean like cache for all stations that's not there yet (would also be too mem intensive imho, but ofcourse there some sqlite cache like with EPG now cud be thought about, but that's for later, right now cache should operate better per station switch at nxt tst, looks ok here).
ALso have to tell, that bug jurgen reported (ndr image issues) took lots of debugging to figure out, still not sure it's like ok, but well, that's it for now...
Nxt tst soon :)
br,
jack
edit: wrt ar switch. Other possible course of action would be to never alter AR if not set to 4/3 16/9?? (independent of 'set ar from source' etc, so even if 'set from source' wud be selected ar would not be altered if set to zoom/stretch whatever..?)..
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You're right, AR from source causes the AR reset, obviously after maybe one or two GOPs.
BTW, it's important to never let change AR automatically within an event, if only one new GOP carried a different AR marking, as this can happen due to a short transmission error and perhaps also ruin a recording.
Basically, source should be first, to define AR used, as normally it should be correct.
On studio errors or on one AR embedded into another, user action could be helpful, for exactly that event, or perhaps, if interrupted by ads, all the original parts of that event.
Such temporal settings should in any case go back to transmission default at the end of that event or any station change.
Plus, in 99+% of the cases of need for user zooming, in fact the simple zoom function does the job, mainly to remove all the black bars on embedded / double letterboxing.
More detailed zooming normally required to much user action, to be used on live TV. So this is really useful for timeshift or playback only. That's a good reason, to have a fully integrated player one day...
This user action in fact can use more options and presets than AR markings on the transmissions, but in most cases, if not all, they should only be helpful for exactly one event, or perhaps even on series.
I've never seen a station transmitting permanently false AR markings, so AFAIK this should not be effecting channel props.
However, as there are strict limitations for AR markings both on transmissions and from recordings, it's extremely important, to not mix those up with user changes at viewing time.
And there is a third kind of independent AR relating settings:
Screen and screen resolution relative AR settings must be kept strictly separate, as those are system settings, only to be altered for hardware changes, like when using a 16.10 or 5:4 display.
Prog always mixed that up for years, leading to nasty behaviour again and again...
TTX subs depend on the TTX module and relative settings, so perhaps they may also be seen as a part of it, from the view of a user.
Each station may use it's own TTX page(s) for this, and perhaps this page should be made part of channel props.
I am not sure, if TTX provides some subs page(s) ID(s) for the system, but even if, there may be more than one, like if arte transmitted an original Chinese movie with both, French and German subs, of course on different pages then.
Means, a user would need to have the choice, what TTX subs page would be preset for a station.
BTW, now I had the time to play around and compare between TTX and DVB subs.
And I have mentioned before, TTX should normally be displayed in strict 4:3, as it may contain semi graphics, and those normally are made for 4.3 display.
Some German stations even carry TTX test pages with an almost FuBK style grid, circle and colour bars picture. That circle always proves the need of 4:3 ;)
See my attachment
BUT...
subs can be arranged to positions relative to speakers (plus colour coded), and these positions refer to the picture, more or less.
DVB subs seem to take care of this, and so should TTX subs, be displayed in 16:9 on 16.9 transmissions and else in 4:3, like all normal TTX pages.
If that's not possible or not easy, stay on 4:3 for TTX, by this avoid cutting some parts away if user AR changes active.
Whatsoever, either Xmas or theendoftheworldasweknowit is ahead.
First option favoured, of course ;)
So there's absolute no need to hurry on anything software related.
No ProgDVB style hot needle stitching, but rock steady and highly reliable results should have absolute priority.
Let's all try to have a good and peaceful time in between
Jürgen
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hi,
new current build tst at mail (bcc so hope all's correct there).
Most alterations to ttx module, cache should operate now at same station switch/smartosd select etc). Lots of fixes/alterations there so interested to know if stuff still's ok there. For me s*bpage select operates also links/state etc. Also num-block for me operates (let's hope that's ok now). Also remote 'red/green/yellow/blue' should operate ttx lnks...
The show current station at sdvb execute issue should also b ok now (actual issue occured with new custom station list when execute sdvb with collapsed custom list, so that's why it sometimes seemed to operate, other times not).
For me the ndr images seem to operate now, but still unsure if it's 101% correct :)
Also alterations to ttx/dvb title show (no seperate remote option yet, i'll focus to make current build stable before add new stuff)
The ttx title AR's now set to 4/3 like jurgen suggests, not sure about x coordinate screen placement though (y-coordinate should operate/colors also)
br nd enjoy these final moments 'beforetheendoftheworldASweknOwit' :)
jack
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This planet will find it's end on tuesday morning 9.30 AM, 4.9 billion years from now, and not a minute later.
That's happening when the sun turns into a red giant and it's surface reaches the earth orbit.
But a towel and some peanuts might help us then, and so we will all meet again in the restaurant at the end of the universe, every day at tea time.
And now for something completely different...
TTX semi graphics semm to be OK now.
SmartOSD Info screen not disappearing issue is to be solved by setting the related timing in the props to e.g. 5 seconds, instead of 5001, which I've just found there.
No idea, where this value came from originally. Of course I did not set this to 5001 seconds...
But something went wrong on all TTX controls.
I can't enter any page numbers anymore, on both TTX versions.
On pre beta 5 copy this still works as before.
Now I can click sub page numbers, but they don't change sub page.
Instead a left mouse click switches page down, same if left clicking on a TTX area without three digit numbers (page links).
One more new finding, strange but not critical:
Opening normal TTX window, and as long as P 100 is not loaded, TTX background does not change to (transparent) black.
Instead it captures the part of the video screen it just covered, as a still picture, that could even be moved around with the TTX window.
This vanishes once a valid page is displayed.
Well, more intensive TTX tesing is almost impossible right now, without any working page numbers control by number keys.
Again, my keyboard and mouse are standard MS compatible HID, all key controls at default.
No original software installed, no hotkeys set nor anything else unusual here.
Last but perhaps most important new issue here:
SmartDVB does not close properly anymore now, so to restart it, I have to kill the process "SmartDVB.exe *32" or restart the machine.
Once I find some extra time, I will occasionally compare everything with Win XP and with my second machine (again).
Best regards
Jürgen
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it's the normal cycle of the universe, in the end we're all dust from super nova's it seems (it also seems there's special unknown matter particle with predisposition to racism, it still needs to be discovered) our sun is a puny tiny short-lived st*r anyhow, for that matter it would've been better if it were a red sun coz then we'd have much more time also to develop soft :)
Odd for me ttx ciphers just operate. Could you look at ur kb options nd see if the 0-9 kb remote keys r mapped to 0-9? I cleaned the code up to just use remote kb options (for sure sosd ttx should be like that, cud it be you altered that or that those 0-9 maps r not installed by default?
Ok, s*b pages r not clickable yet. I noticed the same exit issue (excuses bout that, spend too much time at debug mode/break etc i didn't even notice it, simple issue) :). I'll send .exe update bout that, but first some nurrishment :)
Lol, the 5001 issue is coz at first i allowed like Milliseconds there but later decided seconds would be better at later pre beta (might also be why it never seemed to vanish) :)
br,
jack
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I have to report a small problem:
When quitting SmartDVB, the exe file still stays active in the task manager. I have to kill it manually to restart SmartDVB.
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current build sent once more (bcc).
exit problem should be fixes (excuses once more bout that, should've looked at that :)..
took more time coz ttx s-page clicks somehow were not so simple like i thought before, but u should be able to click at them now..
also background ttx issue should also be better (although like jurgen told not very urgent but still)..
also ttx/dvb titles at window mode were also not correct (wrong place etc)...
once more, ttx ciphers r now coupled only to remote '0-9' so if that still don't operate it'll have to be looked at..
well gonna see if i´m able to find some super nova dust to do some research, the more games these dutchies play the more curious i´m getting to find out from which remote star at the universe they might have emerged with that special particle, i'm quite sure god made a horrendous error somewhere there, might just be he's willing to rectificate :)
br,
jj
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Hi Jack, great to see that u r back on developing smartdvb ;) Curious about the new OSD, some screenshots possible?
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Now here is my short report on the endoftheworldasweknowit 12/21 version:
- SmartDVB.exe closes properly again ;)
- now mouse left click onto a non link area of TTX screen does not act as P- anymore ;)
- number keys of the alphanum section are working again, on the TTX window
But on SmartOSD still no way to enter numbers here, and NUM block numbers still don't work, neither with NUM lock on nor off.
I have all key definitions on default, except of Q originally being used twice there, so I've set I for Info.
BTW, I've just noticed, if teaching in a keyboard key, NUM LOCK state would be added if active, even for normal letters. This is not helpful.
And perhaps it's one reason for NUM block number keys not working on SmartOSD TTX here.
Maybe we need a double set of numbers in keyboard settings then, for main area and NUM block separately.
Semi graphics have improved very much. Could just find a little cosmetic issue left.
See my screenshot attached. I have marked two false black blocks in red there.
Taken from "Das Erste HD" on Astra 19.2E 11493 H 22000
BTW, there is another little TTX issue, possibly timing related.
Check the fast changing P 666 on "NDR FS HH HD" Astra 19.2E 11582 H 22000
This page changes every four to five seconds, and similar to a subs page, it does not use normal sub pages.
Both TTX versions can't display all the ~6 rotating pages in the row.
No missing sequences on subs pages instead, but normally those would only have two or three lines of content.
But the fast changing P 666 mentioned has full size pages.
Plus, still the char set used changes frequently, like between Western and Turkish.
Means, German special letters as ä, ö, ü change to something like "1/4" or alike and back, after some seconds.
You may watch this happening pretty often on P 100 on "Das Erste HD", for example.
Extra questions:
- Opening OSD channel list by use of key "C", how can I leave that OSD list then?
- Found colour keys defined in keyboard settings. Obviously those are used for that OSD channel list.
Do you plan to introduce the usual colour key functions and / or TTX switches for FastText style controls in the lowest line of the TTX screen?
[off-topic]The kind of star we have directly relates to the speed of our carbon based biochemics, live and evolution.
Guess with a different star out there, we also would be different, and perhaps our different time scale would make us feel to have exactly the same life time available then.
I am sure, even a red star would be seen as white then, for naturally different eyes.
We are not exactly star dust, we are made from the ashes, that evolved from the blown away outer areas of that super nova.
And the star that exploded and spread all the heavier elements, that formed our planet and traces of those even exist on the surface of our sun, already was partly made from such recycled matter as well.
And our earth and sun both have my full sympathy, as again they proved, they don't care about any human made calendars.
Same goes for all the other planets and stars, that don't exist and move to change our fate and don't even know about all that nasty astrology stuff...[/off-topic]
Best regards
Jürgen
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I can confirm the first two findings of Jürgen. :)
Thanks! You are doing a great job!
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kb issue with sosd ttx 's odd. Snoop u have that too? For me it operates. Question wrt that, do other kb shortcuts (like UP/down or left/right for pages/s*ub pages resp. operate? If so that might narrow the search for me.
I noticed the 666 refresh issue (thought it might b meant like that, but if it's like u mention it's issue for sure). I'll also look at other ttx issues.
U should b able to exit sosd station list with 'C' once more or with exit/back (also settable at kb/remote options). If that don't operate it's issue. Also the colour kb keys also should be defined already, so once more if kb ciphers don't operate for u there might be same related problem. Do you also have kb issue when operating sosd epg with kb?
Interested to know if others here also have seem sosd ttx kb issue???
'Nd yes it's quite mindboggling to realise that somewhere else at the universe beings might be living a life time at timespans that for us might be 3 seconds or whatever, makes u realise it's all relative nd we all aint' god even if we might imagine us being some kind of uberbeing :)
br,
j
br nd tx once more!
j
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The TTX module doesn't take any numerical input on my PC, not from the num pad and not from the keys above the letters.
Also the focus switches away from the TTX to the main window very fast.
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odd, nd if you look at tools/settings/input/keyboard the 0-9 kb maps r correct set to 0-9? Other kb (left/right) etc operate at module?
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i've sent u both current .exe with alterations wrt sosd ttx issue (now 0-9 ciphers at normal ttx window should operate anyhow, but at SmartOSD module only maps from tools/settings/input/keyboard (0-9/up/down/left/right/red/green/yellow/blue) r accepted. Difficult to replicate coz unable to reproduce here...
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Numerical input now works, if I click ON the frame. If I click INTO the frame, the focus is lost to the main window.
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current build sent, not all's done but ndr 666 looks ok, also some alterations to kb at osd, num-block for me still operates but now only num kb (like suggested). If issue with sosd ttx not altered try to alter focus to see if kb then reacts (cut b focus rel. issue)...
br,
j
ps: also ttx sosd stable operation cut b affected coz ttx drawn more often then prv at current build...
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Focus and Numpad are working now! :)
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Also tested the latest .exe now.
Recent (focus) issues on TTX window have gone, all numeric keys are working, regardless of main area or NUM block.
Regarding SmartOSD TTX, numeric keys on the main area are OK again.
Plus, I have found a way now, to also activate NUM block keys for SmartOSD TTX.
Had to teach in all numbers (0 to 9) by NUM block keys instead.
Screen shot added.
So now I can control SmartOSD pages from the num block.
And TTX window still also works fine then.
n.b.
I am starting my computer with NUM LOCK activated by BIOS, like most users with a full size keyboard and a mouse attached normally would.
And by definition, NUM block key addresses are different from main area number keys.
That's why CAPS LOCK active or Alt GR pressed would not effect the NUM block keys.
So perhaps also SmartDVB key maps should allow to handle the two different kinds of number keys differently, specially as SmartOSD obviously does anyway.
There must be a basic difference in number handling between TTX window and SmartOSD TTX, but key map controls don't know about this.
- but how exactly could I select sub pages (cached) by keyboard?
Mouse click links do work well now.
P 666 issue is gone, every frame is shown now.
Frequent charset changing on a static page issue on both TTX version still exists. Obviously around one out of three refreshes uses a wrong char set. Next one normally is OK then.
Must be timing related some way.
EPG controls and charset seem to be fine, as before. But I am not using this all to often.
To explain my ideas on colour TTX keys and links, see my second screen shot, taken from TerraTec Home Cinema.
This is about the bottom line, carrying four colour segments, which are FastText (and / or TOP Text? Don't remember precisely now) mode links and relate with the four colour keys on a normal TV remote.
Linked page addresses are supposed to come from an extra Table Of Pages being transmitted, if my memory treats me well.
Last time I had to take care for this on my job was about 20 years ago...
SmartDVB does not show that line (here), nor would it use the function behind, by use of the colour keys already mapped.
Best regards
Jürgen
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One little thing about TTX: I think it uses the wrong coding, german Umlauts are not shown correctly. Is there a setting with which I can change the coding?
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ok good that sosd ttx kb operates once more.
u should b able to use 'UP/down' remote (tools/settings/input/keyboard up/d) for s*bpages.
I've looked at codepage issue (it's not actual codepage issue but like suggested timing/mem oriented, looks ok here, the codepages themselves should be ok)
About ttx links, i think we're speaking about the same there (if you look for example at NED1 19.2 u should see those 24 y coordinate images).
I don't see it at that actual station at the image (zdf), so unsure if ur TerraTec gets other data there, coz i also don't see it with other ttx mdapi addons?).
But could still be issue coz it's just made ofcourse, i'm unsure which ttx pages should pertain to that. The ttx specs call them FLOF navigation which go at
Y=24 packet values to be precise. So unsure there, let me know which other pages for sure (also compared to other dvb ttx apps/addons) should show them.
So let me know if NED1 for example works for u so we have like common situation. Also there like said previously remote red/green etc should operate (when seen
i'd imagine).
Excuses about the 'num lock' kb teach, i should've mentioned that, nd yes the kb process method for the osd is kind of complicated but worth the trouble :)
Not sure about extra remote options for normal digits, i might add the specific 0-9 digits to the ttx sosd only like exception coz people would expect that there.
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new tst with ttx charset alterations sent (i didn't notice it at dutch mind control pages). Quite lots altered once more at ttx module (also to remove some odd refresh issues i had, might introduce new issues with ttx but it's worth trouble to optimize imho). For me FLOP nav. seems to operate where i found it, but don't really see it at lots of ttx stations so might still need alterations :)
br,
j
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One little thing about TTX: I think it uses the wrong coding, german Umlauts are not shown correctly. Is there a setting with which I can change the coding?
When TTX is opened, right click, Font.
Check Turkish script there, not Western.
We've had this before on many other DVB soft.
Turkish is the most compatible TTX codepage for Germans.
BTW, I have just mentioned an issue with frequent changing of the code page even on a static page.
Once that would be fixed, we may have to check this setting again. depending on the way this was done.
@ Jack
Where exactly do I find NED1 to compare?
n.b. I don't have access to any crypted channels here.
Now as you mentioned it, FLOF should be correct.
Works on my receivers and, as you can see on the Terratec screenshot, also on my Cinergy.
Nethertheless, there may be some tiny but important differences between Dutch and German transmissions, one of those being proprietary then.
FYI, I don't seem to have a chance to test the Dec. 24th version tonight, as I've got a very poor DL rate from dropbox ATM, and several broken files already.
Will try again tomorrow.
Merry Xmas
Jürgen
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Thanks for your work and a merry Christmas to you!
Thanks, Jürgen, I will try.
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Finally I succeeded in downloading sdvbtst24122012.rar
Short test rsults:
The TTX code page seems to be stable now ;)
-> For proper German umlauts check font property Turkish code page.
TTX sub pages control by keyboard is OK once keys for UP and DOWN are defined.
Still no trace of FLOF line 24 here.
Still, if activated OSD chanel list by key "C", I can't close this, except if closing SmartDVB.
Repeating "C" leads to OSD field activated stepoping to the right, then again, opening SmartOSD Info
Exit this, I can step UP or DOWN the list, ENTER to switch station, ...
...or another "C" to step left to the list (of lists)...
...but no way to close OSD channel list.
Need some EXIT / ESC there.
This kind of OSD is not part of SmartOSD, it's older, am I correct?
Best regards
Jürgen
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I can't check "turkish" on the fonts page as there is only western, but the Umlauts are ok now. :)
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Hi
My new (old) DVB-card is working and I tested sdvb 0.3.08 with the new card again:
- as Jürgen and Snoop I can confirm this version closes sdvb properly
- with alphacrypt light and SKY card I can record multichannel but still there is only one of the .ts-streams decrypted (3 streams recorded)
- after declicking "Set aspect ratio from source" the manual selection of aspect ratio remains stable
No other "unexpected" findings for now...will continue testing ;)
Ritschie
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I have set codepage "westlich" and the Umlaute are good! With the OSD Channel list i am having the same problems as mentioned by Jürgen. Thanks Jack and merry christmas.
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I can't check "turkish" on the fonts page as there is only western, but the Umlauts are ok now. :)
This may also depend on your system's language(s) settings, starting with the origin of your Windows install disc, and may even be, on the original software / driver for your tuner.
However, if it's OK, better not even try to change anything.
And most important, obviously the char set used / read does not change falsely anymore.
Best regards
Jürgen
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hoho:
I also don't have access to crypted stations (but ttx still operates coz mostly ttx PID's r not crypted). NED's at 12515 H 19.2. But i've looked at this ZDF flof issue, don't seem to be that coz ttx pckts 24/27 r required for that but don't look like they're sent or total not accor. to specs. I read that that FLOF could be introduced by philips some time ago which would make it logical that it kinda operates at dutch stations. Could be that zdf etc use other method which according to specs would be TOP (which would not be F*STTEXT method then, but that's entirely different so still unsure there. I'd like more knowledge about this before spend too much time at that. Also other ttx addon mdteletext which´s been mentioned here before shows ned (which obviously's flof), but not zdf. Google don't provide much else there too, besides that it might be aforementioned. Does that terratec also provide some form of special index pages etc?
Key 'C' station issue's obvious bug wrt old osd indeed :) It needs to not be shown when VMR osd's disabled ofcourse. Besides that old OSD only operates correct when old treeview's at use (i consider that old VMR osd kind of obsolete 'nyhow).
@rtschb: don't know alphacrypt light, is it MDAPI addon? If so ofcourse you have multiple 'plugins0/plugins1/plugins2 etc' at plugins folder for each additional crypted rcrd? I'm not sure if d*d* tried more then 1 decrypt previous? Cut still b bug.
Codepage issue could also be just fnt related, some fnts don't support all codepages (default supplied digital fnt for sure not, cut b prudent to alter that too then), try to alter that to for ex 'courier new' or whatever u have at ur system.
br nd merry xm too ofcourse..
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@jack: alphacrypt light is a cam module mostly used for Sky cards here (with "SKY" only for the nagravision encryption afaik). Have to have a look into the sdvb folder if it's still organized as you wroite (plugins\plugins0\plugins1 etc.). Will report later on...
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Just tried on BVN, 12515 H 19.2, and FLOF seems to be working fine there.
BTW, Terratec Home Cinema shows that line 24 on both, Dutch and German stations.Does that terratec also provide some form of special index pages etc?
What exactly do you mean?
There's nothing unusual to be found. And that original soft is pretty limited anyway. Does not even allow to see channel props...
Can't tell anything about possible technical differences, as the only TTX specs I have ever seen, during my TV mechanics training in 1986, came directly from Philips. Should have been to early for FastText, TopText or alike.
But anyway, sorry to have to admit, I did make a private copy then, but lost it on some bad roof leakage several years ago...
However, this FLOF issue not just effects ZDF stations, but most other German stations and providers.
The only German stations I've found now, with that extra base line being shown on SmartDVB, are RTL Television (12187H 19.2) and the RTL locals along there.
But even on RTL II, RTLNITRO and SUPER RTL on the same transponder, no such line.
Same goes for DVB-T here, only the local RTL version, RTL HH SH, brings it up on SmartDVB, no other station.
Compared with my DVB-S2 and DVB-T receivers, the internal DVB-T tuners of both my TVs and even on analogue cable, and they all show that base line, and colour keys are working on all stations (mentioned).
Obviously there are two slightly different ways to transmit this content.
This might of course also depend on some other TTX option, like TOP.
EDIT
Just read a bit through the German Wikipedia page on Teletext
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletext
and it seems, the Germans often are using TOP-Text instead of FLOF / FasText.
BTW, an ETSI document ist being linked there!!!
http://www.themm.net/~mihu/linux/saa7146/specs/ets_300706e01p.pdf
n.b. the Dutch Wikipedia does not provide the same amount of details on this
EDIT END
Oh well, quite often I like to think, some incompatibilities might be introduced with full intention, to either make older hardware obsolete step by step, or to make life harder for free programmers or international exchange, even inside bloody EU...
Of course, I can live with this tiny limitation pretty well, and I've just mentioned this issue, to help you with best possible feedback.
Best regards
Jürgen
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tx for the research, that etsi doc's the one i operate with indeed. Not much else to be found at the net there. The TOPTEXT section is quite unclear nd not specified at all it seems (they refer to some zdf technical document from long ago which i could not find). Still tried to build it somewhat from data i found here 'nd there. Sending it here premature to make sure it's correct for now, like said still needs alterations wrt stable operation perhaps nd also more of that protocol implementation, coz might be that sb-page lnks r also needed for total correct operation (still could be done from what i've seen but if not needed that's ok too :) ). I've seen some 24 data get out at most ger stations now, but you need to wait some secs at most for it to show up, not sure if that's the same like other implementations like ur terratec etc. Well lemme know, i'm pleased i could get something out of it after 2/3 research dys :)
red/green/yellow/blue remote should also work with those ger url's too btw. (edit). Also 'C' station bug should be gone. Also
added simple left/right/up/down mouse gesture at ttx (for prv/nxt page nd s*bpage coz it's easy to do nd i found it useful while doing tsts)..
I agree, difficult to believe such old technology's not documented for the public. But well, these times it's more about technological disadvantages to the people it seems. All these big tech corporation ceo's or whatever are busy with their
10+ y strategy's which for most is about keeping hold of existing closed system whilst thinking about how to earn money the next years with new closed systems where the consumer is made to believe he's buying something amazing. (like i'd like to have seen wireless USB by now also here in holland, stuff exists like 3+ years, for sure not stable like mentioned not even USB's stable, but still would be nice stuff to fool around with, haven't looked much lately, but my feelings about those things is that they are kept from the consumer coz otherwise here and there corporations would loose money with existing strategies, so they r just kept from the stores, who probably all collaborate at that to just earn more money with current existing hardware nd stuff like that would be introduced at due time for them, not for the consumer :)
br,
jj
edit: ard should be zdf tech doc if i'm not mistaken
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Hi Jack,
just a quick answer. The color TTX (at the bottom) selection now shows up and works but the page selection showing uo to the right of the text lines does not work any more.
dada
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dada seems to be correct, somehow.
Here, on SmartOSD TTX the LEFT / RIGHT keys won't do P-/P+ any more, instead they are controlling VOL-/VOL+ again.
Though on TTX window they still are matched to P-/P+ as long as the window is open.
Must be some strange kind of collision.
However, I have decided, to change VOL controls away from cursor keys, to NUM block +/- now.
Result:
Instant return of SmartOSD P-/P+ by cursor keys LEFT / RIGHT
Main reason, normally I don't need instant keyboard access to tuner VOL control, as my computer audio feeds the HiFi, all mixer playback controls are set to max.
Plus, even my keyboard has a master volume control wheel and a mute key. This for, I also never thought about installing the original mouse software, to additionally activate mouse keys #9 and #10 for VOL ::)
But all kind of (mouse left click) page links seem to work normal here, page number links, FLOF / TOP-Text links and the new sub page links.
Indeed TOP-Text line 24 started working now.
For me, that short delay after TTX start is not an issue.
Two little design issues (on both TTX versions), that might be corrected, to be completely identical with common TV hardware usage:
1) The RED one is OK, normally P-, but the next one, GREEN, should have the function, you've set for BLUE, normally P+.
YELLOW should use the function you've used for GREEN now, and BLUE the one, that's on YELLOW now.
Please note:
FLOF colours and functions are correct, so changes should then only effect TOP-Text.
2) generally dark blue is not recommended, to be used as text colour on a black background (nor vice versa).
So the right BLUE sector should instead use bright blue for display.
Again:
FLOF colours and functions are correct, so changes should then only effect TOP-Text.
FLOF already displays BLUE part in bright blue.
Regarding "C" issue, it seems to be gone due to old OSD channel list function being removed now.
If so, the key(board) setting can be removed as well.
Please ignore this, if you removed it from the install already.
I just did not want to make a completely new setup again, to find out about this.
Anyway, you are doing a really good job 8)
It's a great pleasure, to participate and see SmartDVB improving systematically.
Best regards
Jürgen
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ok so i presume no special 'sb-page' url select's required (coz i see at specs that's also possible but cut b it's just not used much if at all).
Current build sent. The sosd ttx 'left/right' is by design (i altered that while ago to only be kb mapped through options, but again like with '0-9' digits exception cut b made here too ofcourse). I think it got messed up now again coz of focus issues (i'm quite sure if you force focus to the sosd ttx left/right would operate once more, if normal 0-9 digits operate now i could also like add same exception for left/right etc so that when sosd ttx's visible left/right etc goes to ttx first before processed by other osd elements)
'C' station kb's not removed coz it's by design to have remote access to station list (but could be prudent to have seperate station remote key for Sm*rtOSD 'nd old legacy OSD (to not operate them at same time?), same issue would occur with volume ctrl etc (might be prudent to create totally seperate sosd maps at kb/remote options).
There's also issue with kb at options wrt multiple defined kb shortcuts, this should not be allowed coz it could confuse people, i'll look to revise this somehow (so that when one adds already defined kb shortcut sdvb would compain).
TTX issue d*d* suggested should be corrected (normal lnks at ttx would not operate).
Also color remote 'red/green/etc' wrt Top-text should be like suggested now. I'm quite surprised it already seems to operate without hickups at first try. Also the blue should be light now, silly oversight.
br
JaCK
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second build with current date sent coz there's stupid oversight wrt Top-text url clk (oversight wrt red/green etc colour correct). So don't use first tst if not done so...
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@ Jack, mentioned issue fixed!
dada
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Oh well...
Now you seem to have mixed up the TOP-Text colour order.
May be I was not precise enough.
From left to right, it must be RED - GREEN - YELLOW - BLUE, as this is the standard order on all standard TV remotes.
To allow coordinating TOP-Text functions with the colour keys correctly, I have added two screen shots of the same page, a 100% correct one and latest SmartDVB TTX window attempt.
The correct one is approved by all my receivers and TV internal tuners.
It's not important, if line 24 button style links are displayed positive on a dark background (like FLOF normally shows) or negative on coloured background, or if button width was fixed at 1/4th of the line or depending on the text to be shown there.
But as users would not like to adapt to a new keyboard to screen relation, the order should in any case be according to common standards.
BTW, you can still see some small semi graphics errors on that SmartDVB displayed test page, taken from Astra 19.2E 11496H "Das Erste HD". Same on both TTX versions.
Seems you have worked on TTX focus issues again.
An older issue returned now:
Left click onto an ordinary text sequence or empty area, acts as P+ now, on both TTX versions.
This should not happen.
A left click should only act on (all kinds of) TTX links, normally.
But if done by intention, a mouse function for P+ would need to have another one for P- along.
As there are still users around with no more than two mouse keys, from my point of view this does not really make sense.
Best regards
Jürgen
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ok lol :)
current built sent, had to attend to more urgent matters also :)
zdf etc txt coulours should be ok now, tx for the image, i've now altered it so that it looks like at that image also wrt mosaic colours (or so i hope then).
Yes the P-'s been added at purpose again, but i've removed it now again coz i agree it's not consistent with what people wud expect. Now you should b able to use simply left/right etc mouse gestures like told before.
Also looked at the ´semi-graphs' issue, odd that those 199 tst ciphers look the same but seem to have small differences (coz i used such tst pages but there semi graphs looked different to that image you attached)..
br,
JaCK
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Again, quite some progress made 8)
Still some minor TOP-Text (only) mixup left:
Colours are fine now, and even the TOP typical negative design also is.
But the link title and target page of YELLOW and BLUE should be cross changed, to be fully identical with receivers and TVs.
This is for TOP-Text only, as on FLOF everything is OK already.
Displaying the target page number together with + or -, like '101+' or '899-'instead of 'P+' or 'P-', in fact is a good idea, as it transports more useful info 8)
Subs and page switching by cursor keys works fine now, on both TTX versions 8)
Mouse left click on plain text or empty area as P+ is removed now, THX.
I've never tried mouse gestures, as I don't even like the idea.
I prefer to ordinarily and precisely press / click on buttons, the direct and only logical way.
Never would I try to charm them instead, with careful girly style multiple finger tip wipes or any other magic gestures.
Nor would I like to draw a Gordian knot with some mystical gesture of the computer mouse, to hopefully convince the machine about my intentions...
Means, I don't like touch screens nor Wii controllers, nor to read from in between the lines.
Obviously I don't have a second X chromosome... ;wusch
Happy New Year
Jürgen
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hmmm, i took a note from that image u sent nd hence thought it wud be ok (sport seemed at same place etc),
but well, i'll send current build (just .exe with this issue corrected, or so i hope once more).
I myself have never seen the need at actual fact for those cumbersome touch screen tablet like pc impersonators, i did see asus had some with built in kb, i guess i might be oldf*shioned then but i need to be able to type quick nd accurate coz that's what i'm used to too much, nd even then u spend like 31% of the time waiting on that stupid machine. I've seen people get them but then never take note of them once bought. Ofcourse for phone like func nd quick social media stuff it's ok, but not that much different like phone ofcourse, but without phone then :)..
Also other little issue altered wrt ttx titles (quick altering sb title pages would not refresh correct, like eg at that station u mentioned while back tele>i i noticed that, should operate better at that too i hope)...
br nd also good new year for all here (although with my current realisation nd treatment i had here at holland previous year (nd probably my entire life) i don't really mean that coz imho it's never been a good new year here for me considering the form of this society or what you might call a society, like mentioned before i feel nd am sure i'm like being persecuted for just being who i am 'nd now also for the realisation of this software,
like u mentioned even before media even totally ignores this here, 'nd ofcourse probably for a good reason :). Ofcourse i do mean it towards the people here who persevere with this too, but to all others here at holland who presist with silly colonial mentality i wish something else :)
anyhow enjoy the festivities u all!
br
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Fixes are fine, thanksalot 8)
Regarding the New Year ahead, just keep in mind, this relates with just one kalendar, the Gregorian one. Man made, not a part of the universe's internal structure.
In any case we have to take that New Year as it will turn out to be, except of perhaps the tiny little influence that might be in our own hands.
And if there's one thing I have learned throughout the years, it's far more important to prevent the world from changing you, than to change the world.
Keep in mind, most of the great dictators and slayers were non-smokers.
That's why I will not stop smoking...
Anyway, Happy New Year to everyone
Jürgen
;Feuer2
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Hello Jack,
do not let yourself impress too much by malvolents. It sems to me, there are, at least here, a fair number of friends and supporters who appreciate what you are achieving :)
Thanks for your efforts and HAPPY new year (and I mean that heartfully)
dada
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+1
dada is right!
Happy new year!
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for me not work >>no under D: and no under C: !!! Tuning is ok but when I want to adjust the transmitter list of providers to only the Transmitter, then crash.????
Happy new year
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yvmifi: what version r u operating with? And which station list? (custom or old treeview?). Don't seem tb able to debug it (is it prv exe sent or install frm 3012?). Nd what exactly do you mean by frm provider to transmitter (transponder/frequency)?
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cut u look at .exe data nd make sure u operate with .exe send 3112?
br nd happy new year too ofcourse :)
edit: btw what OS u have exact (64 bit?)
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@jackjavo
i have delete smartdvb.db and smarteit.db >>> new transponderscan >>>>smartDvb newstart and it is ok !!!
my transponder list setting are ok now.
copy from C:\Programme to D:\Fernsehprogramme is OK :jb
entcrypt with Hadu in Plugin is ok
install:51980102/sdvbtst2912-2 with 0.3.012 exe
yvmifi
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so no rprts recent times, does this mean no new issues been found nd the public version is nigh?
Epg might still need to be looked at coz i found some quirks there. I've added ttx sb title page select to
station properties now (like suggested before), other then that no major alterations for now ofcourse
Oh nd also there might be some addon issues (reports suggest probs with acamd, also that mdteletext exception at close does that also occur with other apps? Looked at that but looks like the addon simply errors at that?).
br
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Sorry, but I don't find TTX subs page selection in channel props, on the Dec. 31st version and German stations.
Changed channel list props to only show stations with TTX subs, and no Germans in there.
Checked through some of the remaining stations then, and for example RAI stations do show a page number for TTX subs, though no way to edit. See screenshot attached.
On German stations, I don't find anything similar, and even there, no way to edit. Example attached, showing "Das Erste HD".
I did update before and after, restarted SmartDVB, no change, no TTX subs page.
That's why I did not noitice any changes on this, and so I did not report.
What's wrong over here?
Like, would I have to start with a completely new channel database now?
Best regards
Jürgen
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i should've been more precise :) I meant those r the only alterations wrt last builds i sent here (means you don't have ttx sbtitle at station properties yet but just my current built, i just didn't want to send entire new build with only those minor alterations. Other then that like mentioned looks ready for beta :).
br,
jack
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new tst build sent (with current date).
TTX sb-page should be settable now through station options.
Lots of alterations too to EPG, tried to integrate it somewhat with the new multi-record functionality (epg did not take note of that until now, still needs wrk hope not too much's broken at this build).
Also possible to save ttx pages now (incl. sb pages), a .txt file is created at the record folder for now.
Multi record mdapi's also been altered somewhat coz some users had notable issues wrt some plugins/addons (acamd here anyone?).
Also updated sqlite to most recent version, didn't notice issues what that upgrade till now myself.
Aspect ratio processing wrt the 'set aspect ratio from source' 's been altered to include preset for detected 4:3 or 16:9 ratio's (see general settings, option 'auto adapt etc' AR). There's also extra 'auto.." AR option to enable/disable this like pleased. A user suggested this feature 'nd i quite liked the idea so let me know the thoughts here about that :)
br,
jack
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Hmm, the mdapi alterations killed the older plugins (Vahids and mdplug),, they do not appear in the plugins folder anymore here, and do not work anymore.
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i don't delete stuff there so must be install issue, only the install tries to copy 'program files'/plugins to 'appdata/local/smartdvb' if found so might it hav something to do with that? Do you have backups to make sure coz smartdvb itself ofcourse would never try to remove a plugins, unless it's a humungous bug but don't think so? Did you select the default application data install folder? Did the install query you to copy the 'program files/smartdvb/plugins' etc to the appdata folder? Nothings really altered there so odd, probably install issue like said. R u operating with 64 bit os perhaps? Also do you have multiple mdapi .dll's at the same folder (so not at sub folders? I altered something there to not try to load other dll's if mdapi dll already loaded, could lead to errors i thought when too much helper dlls etc would b tried, if so try to put each each mdapi addon at seperate folder?). I just tried mdplug nd with me it appears do you see ny plugins?
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I installed into the same folder as the versions before in "programs". There are 3 plugin dll's in the "plugins" folder, which was fine in your previous versions. Now there is only one showing up and working. And yes, it is a 64 bit system. What do you mean by installing the plugins into separate folders? How would they be called? I have plugins1 etc subfolders for the multirecordings already.
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i mean if by accident you have more addon dll's at same folder (so eg plugins/mdapi.dll nd plugins/hadu.dll if you have this move the dll's to a seperate folder under plugins for now, eg plugins/vplug nd plugins/mdplug) but if you simply have them in seperate folders like (plugins/hadu/hadu.dll nd plugins/mdapi/mdapi dll that's not the issue (i'm not talkign about the plugins0 etc folders). I did actually make some alterations for 64 os due to some errors reports from users with 64 bit systems (amongst one some removing of file system redirection) which might also be at fault here (i use 32 bit do hence imight nog have noticed it). I added some checks to just dll load a single mdapi dll per folder, thinking this would prevent issue with loading othre non mdapi related dll's which sometiems also r distributed together with mdapi dll's, but i'll revert that soon then if that causes too many issues :) excuses...
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ok Jack, I'll try that later in the day and report.
Just quickly tested your suggestion and this works. Put vplug in "Plugins/vplug/" and that is fine!
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Now basic operation of TTX subs is there.
My immediate findings:
- in channel props, there are two places for the TTX subs page now, in the TTX stream description (can be edited there) and as an extra entry, ID style
That's one to much, I suppose...
For both places, to give a working result, you have to enter a HEX value, that would get converted into the proper DEC value, like on ZDF enter 309, to let SmartOSD TTX subs list and display 777 correctly.
Same on Das Erste, have to set 96, to get P150 for TTX subs.
Does NOT reliably follow HEX/DEC switch in channel props!
This is logically wrong, for two reasons:
-1) people would have to calculate the subs page from DEC to HEX, to make it work --> merely impossible for the normal user
So allow people to enter 777, to get 777, please...
-2) in fact all valid TTX page numbers ARE in HEX, meant to allow hidden pages for paid services, like used on German RTL Television (and at least earlier on German ntv).
That pages weren't scrambled, but the standard user interface won't allow users to enter page numbers like 80F, which in fact is set as default start page on RTLtext on RTL Television on 19.2E 12187H, instead of P100 normally.
My receivers all try to start on 80F there, with no result, as that page does not seem to be transmitted (anymore).
Never locks there.
- TTX subs only appear in one single line (~ #25), at the very bottom of the screen, wheras normally two lines are in use, like you can see on the same subs page in TTX window or SmartOSD TTX.
Check in SmartOSD TTX, you are getting the usual two subs lines in normal TTX mode, and the second (only) repeated below all this.
Besides, TTX subs are using SmartOSD font type in a smaller size, not the user selected one for SmartOSD TTX.
Can't make a screen shot of this, as IrfanView won't capture SmartOSD, at all.
That's why I've made a real photo, quick and dirty...
To me it seems, TTX subs should either use the same display routine as SmartOSD TTX, or at least only be displayed, if SmartOSD TTX is toggled to OFF.
- TTX subs page resets to 0 on a rescan / channel update.
Obviously you can't scan for the TTX subs page, and there may even be more than one on a station (like on arte).
So, please don't let the subs page entry update, better keep it resident as a user option instead.
Perhaps also alow this for station names (displayed).
At least this would allow basic favs user sorting by renaming like "001 Das Erste HD", "002 ZDF HD" and so on.
- station change with TTX subs activated gives an exception error message "Exception in teletext parsethread".
And SmartDVB has severe trouble to close regularily, if TTX subs are active then.
Best regards
Jürgen
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took some time to revert some issues from previous tst build.
Station props now should allow alteration of ttx title page only at ES dialog (always < 10 hex values now coz you're right users would not expect otherwise). Ended up re-implementing the ttx titles somewhat, mainly coz i saw some stability/performance issues when viewing fullscreen etc. Looks better here now. I never saw those 80F default ttx pages. The specs allow for setting the start page through seperate option's pages so to speak, but i never saw other then p100, those options probably never really made it to now. Settings should also be retained now nd not altered by scan´s, if so consider that a bug. Also the font issue's been looked at, looks ok here. Now it uses the ttx set font.
Mdapi's somewhat reverted again, nd more alterations to try to make multi-rcrds with addon usage more stable (it seems not all addons r made for re-init etc).
Also for me exit seem somewhat stable again, also with ttx titles enabled etc (seems this had to do with some compile options i altered wrt to mdapi).
Also some re-work wrt EPG, multi-language support's been added (actually i had done the parse implementation for the first tst here i just needed to wrap up the interface side of that). Probably not
much use here perhaps but i like it when such things turn out to operate quite nicely. Still might introduce some exceptions coz epg side needed some alteration.
Wrt station name alterations the scanner interface got this option ´update channel names if different in scan´, means the scanner by default does not update station names unless this option´s set. But the setting would not be retained so i added this option to the scanner settings (tools/settings/scanner) to retain them also made sure the 'UPDATE' at station properties now also takes note of this.
Also added a 'don't replace already set teletext subtitle page number' for situation when one actually needs to rewrite ttx pages.
Also some users reported issues with some codepages, so while busy with EPG anyhow i altered some stuff there to see if epg codepage support could be improved. Some providers don't even
provide correct codepage system data, so also added a default codepage option to the station properties dialog (specs tell to use 6937 iso if nothing else is indicated at stream, but some use other codepages it seems).
Anyhow sending current date build here tx again!
best regards
jj
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jackjavo
i have installed and Smart not start,!!!! :Kopf
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were u able to send crsh report (i just got one here, but seems to be odd date, cud not be you then perhaps?) Could you check the .exe date?
did you do fresh install or upgrade? There r some smarteit.db alteration, maybe delete smarteit.db its re-created...
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i've sent u pm yvmifi wrt to freeze with .exe, should solve that probably coz i already have verification from other user just putting that here so others know (send them the exe need to go to sleep :)
br,
j
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No such start problems here.
Buit to avoid trouble, I did delete smarteit.db before anyway.
Did not yet find the time nor concentration for intensive testing, but obviously several changes are working as intended.
Just caught a bad cold, right now including all of the usual symptoms at the same time.
So first I will try all the tricks my granny taught me, to get better physically and mentally a.s.a.p.
And once at least that bad head ache will be gone, I'll continue for sure.
Of course, I could use some heavy stuff against the head ache now, but normally that would not really help on thinking precisely.
This way, for me the usual 'do not drive' warnings also mean, 'do not try to be logical'...
CU
Jürgen
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i have deinstall>>>new install not start>>>>>New Smartdvb.exe >>>>no start?!? :embarassed:
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ym: did the previous tst wrk ok for u? I see u use xp no? No plugins at install folder (if so try without them?). Also where exactly does the start fail, at the splsh screen of after when you already see the main screen? (does press SHIFT at start also not operate, shift supresses tune at start). If no crsh rport, could you send the smartdvb.log so i might have idea where the issue's with u..
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sorry to hear about ur flu jurgen! I've kept from that till now this year, but i do recognize what you tell, better not to concentrate too much at screen. From what i know indeed it's best to keep from the heavy stuff.
good luck,
jack
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Of course, I could use some heavy stuff against the head ache now, but normally that would not really help on thinking precisely.
Sorry for the offtopic: "Gute Besserung" Jürgen and remember the doctor's advice - a flu lasts 2 weeks with medicine and 14 days without! ;)
Richard
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Just installed it over the last version - no obvious problems here ...
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Continued playing around with the latest versions, and still I don't have any important new findings to report 8)
Seems all recent changes were done pretty well.
Just one small decorative issue, now the splash screen seems to have some charset / font size issue.
The message "starting dev(ice)" seems to be to big, starts at the centre of the splash window and looks as if being cut off on the right edge.
Can't make a screen shot of it. Is this made by SmartOSD now?
It's also vanishing to fast, to take a real photo, as my camera has a to long delay.
So I had to use a toy quality camcorder now. Sorry for the bad quality, but you should be able to get an idea.
However, changing OSD to old VMR style, does not effect the splash screen.
Don't have a resource editor on any of my machines ATM, to find out more.
Maybe another day...
BTW,
it's not the flu, but just the ordinary cold, that still hits me every couple of years.
Seems I am getting better already, as only the first two or three days are pretty hard.
THX to my late granny and all she taught me:
- Heavy chicken broth for lunch, with extra nutmeg (against lack of appetite)
- Ginger for the stomach
- Hot elder-berry juice with grated orange peel, clove, cinnamon and real vanilla
- For the night only, a good drop of creme de cassis into the last mug of Earl Grey ;)
- And then, all the sleep one can get.
Of course it's important, to avoid all possible opportunistic infections, that may follow on such a weak general condition.
So no extreme physical stress, and being a bit more careful throughout the next couple of days.
CU
Jürgen
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ok, good to hear it's ok. Seems yv*** must have some XP issue, odd time difference possible there from what i remember, but haven't look at xp for eons..
Sp*sh screen is the same osd engine indeed (it also uses the same trnsprncy options, at actual fact it's the first tst i made after that the timeshift (i should remake them now probably, one programming rule tells it's often much better to totally remake stuff coz the second time around u have much more knowlegde about the matter, so you could make it quicker nd better, but no companies ofcourse ever do that or only after some time when they have no other options). I think the font is just drawn too big for some selected fonts, i'll just make the currently selected pointsize smaller or otherwise just use some std fnt size (or also might make it multiline, i had wanted to put more data there, like some scroll list etc,but i'll leave that for now coz well enough to do those details r possible next time around (beta 2 then)..
Glad ur cold's just that, but then again when ur low on resistence everything's a possible issue, i remember the times after i had a transplant due to the cancer, after almost a full 'year' of chemo it's quite a feat to not get infected then (even food then could easily infect you, everything if you think about that is full of bacteria but normal humans with normal cell counts ofcourse don't have issue with that, my cell counts at those times were horrible ofcourse, not to mention the physical state). So nutrition, indeed like for flu lots of vitamin-C, avoiding stress, excercize when possible, anti-oxidants (which somewhere coincides quite a bit with old granny tales so to speak), nd maybe also just nature coz such oxigen's good for u not to mention the mental aspect of nature (nd disease infections u get from people not cold etc, i actually avoided people/shops for quite a while after the chemo's, if some silly person sneezes at you at such periods who knows what could happen). I had enough chemo to kill a flock of elefants (even after all those chemo's they still could see cancer at the scans, that's also the reason i totaly commited to altering my lifestill coz the odds after such treatment were horribly low (i had what they called refractory cancer, which means it grew after the inital chemo treatments through the chemo, so it had gotten resistant, you just need some cells to mutate to something that's able to survive a certain chemo treament nd ur fucked.) (contrary to what my dutch docs told me, but the treatment they gave me originated from germany (koln) where they had lots of experience already so they didnt' fool me with their little information capacities, if i had followed their advices i probably would not be here at this state atm).
anyhow best regards new tst tomorrow for sure (i've actually added some stuff to teletext once more, code page like suggested before coz some other tsters, polish for example, still had issues with ttx codepages...
br,
jack
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[OT]German doctors may as well be wrong, sometimes.
In later 2005 they gave me a 100% correct diagnosis for diabetes mellitus type 1, no doubt allowed.
Two different doctors, a special diabetes surgery and even the University special clinic all told the same.
Well, all the symptoms I had, first made me think the very same way.
And in fact I had to inject insulin for almost half a year, as for that period, my pancreas first did not produce any, and after a short time, some again, but still not enough.
But I recovered completely.
One reason may be, I started working on a building site then, for friends of mine, that allowed me to chose exactly the work load I could physically take.
Perfect sports, from that point of view.
Did not even noticeably reduce weight, compared to late 2005.
You know, muscles are heavier than fat...
After two months of using insulin, I had to reduce the dose more and more, and finally all the calculations resulted in dosage zero.
And no doctor ever found out, why my insulin production had stopped completely for months, nor how it could come back to normal, completely and permanently.
I am watching my blood-sugar level ever since, and it's completely normal, without any more treatment. Including all the normal variation everybody has, by nature.
Doctors tell, after the beginning of that type 1 some patients may have a temporal semi recovery phase of between two and no more than around six months, before the insulin production would for sure collapse forever.
Well, that six months are over, plus six extra years, and I am still running my own insulin production.
So all the doctors and books must be wrong, somehow.
Means, it's most important, to never ever stop seeing the obvious and real, instead of just blindly believing in what you're told and what's written down anywhere.
If I had not stopped taking the extra insulin in a minimum dose at least, as the doctors told me, I would have had to eat much more, to avoid low blood-sugar side effects.
And then, for sure, I would be far to heavy today, resulting in a guarantee for diabetes mellitus type 2 and adipositas in the end.
All this is a damn good reason, to in fact "mention the mental aspect of nature", not just the still limited knowledge on medics and chemistry.
The immune system also needs help from your mind, and without this, all the modern drugs won't help.
From this point of view, let the sun shine in...[/OT]
Regarding XP, I will also look at this during the weekend.
Regarding fonts:
On components, where users would / could not chose a font for and test on easily, it's highly recommended, to use some Windows system standards, as those are available and working in any case.
Bold, extra size, ..., no problem then.
But better don't use OSD fonts there, specially not with user settings depending size, as OSD mainly is meant to be optimized for a video screen, not for Windows GUI.
BTW, a scroll list on a splash screen would only make sense, if it's appearance could be prolonged by the user.
In just around half a second of display time, a user would not have enough time, to even scroll just one single line.
And of course, we won't really want to generally make SmartDVB start any slower ;)
Best regards
Jürgen
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FYI, I could not make the recent pre beta work on 32bit XP SP3.
Tried a fresh install, an update from a known working 0.2.5 version, and I am always getting the same start error then.
First I wasn't astonished, to get this when trying to open the Win7 x64 installed version from XP, but the others haven't ever been in contact with a 64bit OS.
This is weird...
Did not yet find the time, to try out, from what pre beta on this happens.
A few older versions are stored here, so maybe later...
Best regards
Jürgen
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hi, "to never ever stop seeing the obvious and real" ur damn right there, i would call it just be critical nd inform urself, something which is much more possible these times with inet etc ofcourse.
I already located that 64 bit issue, a while back i added some test there with that function call (coz some users reported issues with 64 bit i thought were located there), seems it cannot be used with xp (odd that yv* didn't report that error). So i also did some tst now with xp which resulted in quite some bughunt (mainly wrt the new custom list once more, more stuff seemed to fail there so good to do that even if only at virtual machine). I'll try to update the build soon so xp runs again.
br,
jack
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To me it seems, 64bit related issues on a 32bit OS might as well partly depend on some side effects, like hardware and BIOS related.
I do remember issues with some ATI graphics drivers (for a Radeon HD 3650 AGPx8) on a Win2k system, some years ago.
Refused to install, proclaiming it could not run on a 64bit OS.
Well, Win2k never was available as a 64bit version, and my P4 3,2GHz HT also was not, same with that good old i845 chipset behind.
And that drivers weren't meant to be used on Win2k (or older).
But again, they did not complain on a to low Windows version, like 5.1 or above only, but on detecting a 64bit platform...
Means, sometimes Windows itself seems to report false system details, for what reason ever :enno
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yes it's quite tricky to keep support in one app for all os'es (previous 0.1.5 sdvb versions which also supported win2000 etc required lots of care with component usage etc). At this situation that function error u reported is just not there at some xp dll so that results at failure, that function btw tries to prevent some file name resolve that occurs with 32 bit apps at 64 systems, but seems it only is crucial with sytem files, like at system32 etc (when reading/writing those at 32 bit app those paths r altered etc) so i removed that again (the docs were somewhat unclear wrt some folder read functions that might need that).
br, nd pm sent..
jack
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Now on my XP SP3 x86 that error is gone 8)
Right now, I don't have fully working codecs on XP, but this is a completely different story, as that XP installation originally was meant as an emergency fallback system only, with a stone age license from a junk yard early Pentium4 machine.
So it is not yet equipped with all the usual bits and pieces.
Though, all the new SmartOSD stuff is working well there, too.
Best regards
Jürgen
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ok good to know. The smartosd stuff i actually tested when i initiated that some time ago so that i knew quite sure (coz there certainly were some issues there at that time so i made sure i tested that when creating the basics:)
i forgot to mention there are some alterations to teletext, i added codepage selection (also for exotic languages like cyrillic/arabic etc) nd also fixed some small display errors i still saw here nd there so that might need some look at too
br,
jack
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I have to report a little thing:
In my "Software"-List, there are about 9 Entries from SmartDVB ...
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so is here, but from all I tested, including the media file options, I could not find bugs :)
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I have to report a little thing:
In my "Software"-List, there are about 9 Entries from SmartDVB ...
Confirmed.
On Win7, I have 14 right now.
All of those refer to the same install folder, so an individual uninstall would not work.
Means, I will CAREFULLY clean up the registry occasionally.
Please note, on the registry screen shot I have expanded several, but not all of the SmartDVB installer entries.
Basically, an update installation, that uses the same path as the last one, should not add yet another item to the software registration, but update or delete the latest existing entry, like to allow to display the new version number.
However, as you are changing the semi random ID on every update, it may be anything but easy, to clean this up automatically.
But from my point of view, this should better be solved (for the future), before an official release would be published.
Best regards
Jürgen
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ok tx, i already knew this. This been introduced due to alteration to the ms install. Previous versions/installs would remove a previous product code if installed (when altering product code at ms install too it's considered a new product so old one would be deleted, no matter at what folder it's located i'm afraid that's how the ms installer operates). So if one disables the 'removeinstalledversion' then side by side installs r created. Not altering the product code at each test probably would also force u to delete previously installed product (coz that would be considered the same nd install would not proceed). I don't see how this could easily be solved besides some major install alteration to for example copy the old product somewhere else before installer deletes it. Otherwise u'll get indeed odd results if one chooses the same install folder nd presumes the product would be upgraded (which is te default action of one chooses to not disable that option). Maybe for now the best would be to enable it again, if one wants to keep the previous version one would have to do a manual copy of al the files to some folder (sdvb should operate from there without issues, although new .ax components would be used etc).
Seems this is a limitation from the ms installer, would be too much to move now to a better install product (honestly it seems most people have griefs with that visual studio installer which makes some issues too difficult, tools like installshield r actually much better nd all this stuff's much more flexible, at previous times at jobs those were the tools, or something like wise also seems used, no exp with that). But by now i'm quite sure i'll probalby alter the install tool next version :)
br,
jack
ps: so i'll re-enable that option, which means installs at other folders would still remove older product in ms eyes, just mentioning that, otherwise this would get a neverending story :)
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Could that installer try to find SmartDVB.exe in the install path (chosen), and if exists, automatically ask for update / repair / uninstall selection? Might be easier than fiddling around with Windows software controls.
Of course, the copy-elsewhere-to way is the best for backups of older versions, as long as no really important /possibly fatal registry entries are effected. And that's what I am doing anyway.
Best regards
Jürgen
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dunno if that's so simple to do, but i'll see about some backup at install initiation. This stuff all needs to be made custom, nd even funnier i mentioned my gripes with the ms visual studio installer, seems that MS's removed the installer from current visual studio 2012 release, which also seems kind of silly considering making such stuff 's quite n investment however you look at it (they even refer to some other tools amongst which that installshield which to some developers seems quite fishy too, it's quite odd such a decision which forces companies to alter stuff that's been invested at, lots won't even upgrade to 2012 coz of that, something which i would not have done soon at all btw coz i regret even the migration from vs2005 to 2010, cost too much time).
But these install alterations would need tsts coz you never should/r able to presume altered stuff would operate at other os'es (i've been fiddling with this doing tsts at xp entire weekend nd even at xp some stuff which just operates with w7 don't operate). For now i'll just backup the smartdvb.exe nd settings/transponders from previous install folder if, like you mention, smartdvb.exe's at install folder (nd also db's if there). So like that, if it operates, you'll at least at all times have copy of previous install .exe which should be enough for now coz the rest should just be copyable (also coz previous settings/db r not deleted by new install i made sure of that at previous times).
br,
jack
(nd btw: only registry entries used by sdvb r for the needed com (smartavsrc.ax etc) those would b the ones used from the most recent install (also by old app), so if those interfaces don't alter there's no issue (i just have to make sure of that, which is no issue just create new interfaces for new functionality but leave older interfaces available for compatibility) coz other options etc r all .ini :) )
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hi pm sent with current build. Aforementioned install fix (tries to make basic backup before install if smartdvb.exe etc's detected). This install stuff's getting quite operator intensive for me i must add:)
Also minor additions to smartosd (sosd status and messagebox for record messages which should also allow for remote operate messageboxes nd some slide tst for options/timeshift(enable at smartosd options)).
br,
jack
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Right now I am extremely busy. So testing will have to wait until tomorrow.
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np jurgen no need to rush at all, i already found some issues due to some alteration (dvb titles lockup so if u encounter that or nybody here for that matter consider that solved, although i know the people here probably don't mind dvb titles which don't operate that well :)) Other then that i think i might put this out like beta 1 quick then, need to continue with some new additions.....
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Hi Jack, did you send the latest version to everybody or only to Jürgen cause I did not get it?
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hi dada. I presumed to everybody? I distinctly remember putting the names like "dada", "jurgen" etc at the bcc field, so could be noone got it?? Sent to you now again ofcourse..
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No issues on DVB subs found here.
The new backup routine also seems to work well.
BTW, by pure accident I've just discovered mouse gesture style controls on SmartOSD TTX, by dragging on the TTX area with left mouse key pressed.
Up and down works for sub page control, left and right for page control.
In my eyes, the time for a public beta may indeed have come now.
Keep in mind, a beta version does not have to be perfect.
But indeed it is pretty close already.
Best regards
Jürgen
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At start I get a sign with a question mark on the screen ... it disappears after a view seconds.
Edit: Disregard - it's the deleting of the old EPG entries ... with the new version it gets explained ...
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Hi Jack, got the new version now. Thanks! Can't find any problems :) I agree with Jürgens opinion!
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okay then good news nd considering the 0-bug reports previous 2 days i've bitten the bullet nd released this beta 1 finally !
hxxp://www.smartdvb.net/smartdvb/download/030/SmartDVB030beta1.rar
here's the url here too ofcourse (finally no PM :)). Wrt the previous build sent here only DVB subs fix/atleration nd splsh screen etc (to indicate beta 1 version correct etc). I haven't heard from yvmifi wrt to his xp install, but i'm quite positive it probably operates ok coz i did lots of tests previous week with xp, runs fine it seems...
LOTS LOTS of thanks and regards to the fine people here, tx u made stuff a little more bearable here concerning what happened to me previous years here, something i tried to not talk too much here ofcourse but still is quite sadning ofcourse at todays so called open nd global world!
Best regards,
JJ
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beta 1 is verry ok I have install not in C: in D: is install with msi and no error >>>scan Astra and HotBird with .ini from "kingofsat" no error >>>is a good (best) Beta !!! work with Hadu is good. Filter is LAV 05.5.2 and is verry ok. EPG is ok.
thank you jackjavo
yvmifi
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Hallo JJ!
Works fine with free programms!
Only Problems with CI Modul. Does not decrypt sky-abo with Terratec H7 and also Technotrend TT connect CT 3650 CI.
For me the CI does not work :'(
Best regards
j-mas
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hi j-ms,
did you try to increase the ci send repeat count (ofcourse it's enabled at the ci settings?).
ci support is limited, but tt devices should operate, so if it still fails please send me bda.log (also make sure you use bda.dev nd not bdas.dev coz only bda.dev with ci support)..
br,
jj
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Hi JJ!
Thank you. But it dont work anyway. Please tell me how I can make a "bda.log", which I can send to you.
I don`t know how to do this.
Thank you
j-mas
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ok if u use bda.dev (florian) the log should be created (if you installed at local user data folder you have to look somewhere in your local user data eg: C:\Users\your name\AppData\Local\SmartDVB\logs\bda.log or if you installed sdvb at program files its at the 'program files\devices\bda.log'). Just make sure you try to access your cam ci some times, the log should register technotrend ci log messages i could try to see if something's going on that seems solvable)..
br,
jack
edit: also just to be sure check with 'tools/device settings' menu to see if the device type selected is 'technotrend' but bda should detect this automatic so i don't think this would be issue..
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Hallo JJ!
I send you the bda.log with this posting. I had to add .jpg because the forum doesn´t accept the ending .log.
I hope you can decryt the log.
Thank you!
j-mas
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Here is a second bga.log
Thanks
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hi jm,
i see from logs that that tt device is a cable device. I don't see ci log messages it seems there's a problem with bda-c devices nd ci/device type selection (at least for sure for ur technotrend cable device).
Could you please try to select menu option 'tools ->> device settings' nd for 'device type' select 'technotrend' for your device type.
I don't know if cable technotrend devices use the exact same api like sat devices, but probably they do.
I'll attach image to explain. If after this it still doesn't operate send me log again to see if now i'm able to see logged CI messages from technotrend.
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/51980102/device.png)
edit: restart sdvb after setting this option to be sure ci messages would be sent..
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Hallo JJ!
I have done your settings. But I think that smartdvb will not recognize my MASCON CI Modul Alpha Crypt classic.
Nothing changed. When I say in the settings under point CI reset CAM am pop up window say "Failed resetting cam".
I think that smartdvb can not make a connection to the CI Modul.
Best regards
j-mas
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hi jm,
sorry but i still don't see ci messages at log. I don't have dvb-c myself so cannot verify correct operation for u, but i think the problem is with bda.dev which doesn't allow the correct technotrend api to be called with dvb-c, please try this bda.dev (copy it to appdata/smartdvb/devices overwrite the old bda.dev (make copy of old bda.dev to be sure you have backup just for security). I hope this bda.dev at least allows ci calls to get through for dvb-c (reset is probably also same issue)..
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/51980102/bda.dev
br,
jj
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Which one is the suggested bda-Device?
Florian or the "normal" bda?
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for jm u mean snoop (wrt dvb-c)? Bda.dev (Florian) for now (i also would like to update bdas.dev with all device possibilities some time at future, at previous times bdas.dev did have some issues with stable graph connection but could be that i found some bugs recently which would improve that, just not sure ofcourse coz there r lots of devices out there i'm unable to look at so some time should give more data i hope, but bdas.dev seems a little bit quicker also but for now bda.dev still should be preferred).
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btw if anyone here uses windows 8 i would have tst for fullscreen/window/main mode alteration (seems it still didn't operate right, freeze at times, but i've just been able to test this with vmware myself)..
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I'm using Sat-TV, so which one should I use?
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just use florian bda.dev coz it's the most tested/stable atm..
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Hallo JJ!
I use windows 8 64 bit. I will try the new bda and then post the reaction.
Thanks
j-mas
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Hi JJ!
It still doesn´t work. BUT now the bda.log contains CI content with many faults. Perhaps you can see now whats going wrong.
When I make a CAM reset there is no popup window.
But it still doesn´t work. I think that smartdvb now can recognize the CI Modul but can not decrypt.
Best regards. With greetings from Germany!
j-mas
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tx jm,
i'll have to investigate this, not sure what the problem is atm, just to verify it's not driver issue the ci operates ok with other apps with same os (win8 64 bit)?. Read it might be mce (perhaps) driver related, but very old posts so probably not ur issue (read something about people with similar issues using older 5.0.0.19 or alike tt drivers)..
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Hi jackjavo,
during the weekend I found some time to test the public beta-version.
Here are my findings:
i) the mdapi-interface works with my plugins. The strange thing was that SmartDVB ignores the plugin-folder at the installation directory (e.g. C:\Program Files (x86)\SmartDVB\Plugins) and uses only the users AppData-folder..
ii) whenever I activate a recording, SOPHOS pops up a virus alert HIPS/Filemods-009 !
iii) I didn't find a way to list scheduled recordings which are not yet running
iv) recordings are stored in the installation directory (e.g. C:\Program Files (x86)\SmartDVB\records) instead of the users AppData-folder.
v) I'm confused about OSD and SmartOSD: both are activated at the beginning which does not really make sense. SmartOSD with MS Sans Serif font chosen causes SmartDVB to crash. Also CR/LF are displayed as "?" instead of newlines. Font sizes are ignored and EPG text is not scrollable.
Cheers dh
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hi dh: tx for the report.
the mdapi-interface works with my plugins. The strange thing was that SmartDVB ignores the plugin-folder at the installation directory (e.g. C:\Program Files (x86)\SmartDVB\Plugins) and uses only the users AppData-folder..
this is on purpose if you install at local app data folder nd run without admin rights, some plugins write logs or whatever (cfg etc or db) which would probably make smartdvb fail if plugins were run from program files install folder at such cases.
Did you also try the multiple records mdapi (by copy plugins to plugins/plugins0-plugins/plugins63). Some report some issues still with that...
whenever I activate a recording, SOPHOS pops up a virus alert HIPS/Filemods-009 !
odd what do you mean with activate? when u run the recording? or initiate a smartdvb record?
I didn't find a way to list scheduled recordings which are not yet running
only form to see scheduled (not running) records is with channels/scheduler, don't you see them there??
recordings are stored in the installation directory (e.g. C:\Program Files (x86)\SmartDVB\records) instead of the users AppData-folder.
ok tx this is obvious bug, coz like with plugins ofcourse record there would/could fail..
I'm confused about OSD and SmartOSD: both are activated at the beginning which does not really make sense. SmartOSD with MS Sans Serif font chosen causes SmartDVB to crash. Also CR/LF are displayed as "?" instead of newlines. Font sizes are ignored and EPG text is not scrollable.
ok tx, forgot to remove evr/vmr old style osd at install. I'll see to also use/add font sizes to epg settings etc, nd check the serif/cr/lf issues (latter probably just a draw issue)...
edit: btw did you do a fresh install or upgrade wrt the old osd being shown (just checked the code looks like at install it should only enable smartosd but checking could still b issue). Also the record folder issue could b related to that (upgrade with install/copy of settings to appdata which ofcourse doesn't alter old record folder, i'll see to alter that coz ofcourse that is logical ofcourse but unwanted).
edit2: btw what do you mean with 'not scrollable', if u mean the scrollhweel it should operate, nd if it doesn't for u where does it not operate (the old fullscreen EPG (ctrl-e default) or the new smartosd transparent one?).
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Hi JJ,
sorry for the delay of responding, I was busy during the week.
Did you also try the multiple records mdapi (by copy plugins to plugins/plugins0-plugins/plugins63). Some report some issues still with that...
not yet, will do. Is there any howto?
whenever I activate a recording, SOPHOS pops up a virus alert HIPS/Filemods-009 !
odd what do you mean with activate? when u run the recording? or initiate a smartdvb record?
when initiating a record.
only form to see scheduled (not running) records is with channels/scheduler, don't you see them there??
got it ! tx!
edit: btw did you do a fresh install or upgrade
deinstalled the old and and did a fresh install of the new.
edit2: btw what do you mean with 'not scrollable', if u mean the scrollhweel it should operate, nd if it doesn't for u where does it not operate (the old fullscreen EPG (ctrl-e default) or the new smartosd transparent one?).
if the description is too long for the OSD-window there are no means (or at least I could find) to see the full text
Cheers dh
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not yet, will do. Is there any howto?
not yet, but i'll see about adding some howto's then (could do it here nd the sdvb forum)..
but at short, you should be able to initiate multiple records through the record button dropdown menu (fta or encrypted)
also you should copy all your needed plugins (if used at all) to subfolder at your plugins folder. These should be named 'plugins0', 'plugins1'... until 'plugins63' depending on how much concurrent records you require (64's the limit). After initiating a drop-down multil record let's call it the plugins should appear like a sub menu at the name of that record you started with the dropdown (ie at the same dropdown popup menu)
when initiating a record.
this seems quite odd then coz just mpg or ts records r created, nothing else going on there, is this with ts or mpg records?
if the description is too long for the OSD-window there are no means (or at least I could find) to see the full text
ok, you should b able to click the osd-window now/next (also remote) to see the total descriptions (program info, but that option still needs wrk could be much nicer, but that's for future for now)..
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when initiating a record.
this seems quite odd then coz just mpg or ts records r created, nothing else going on there, is this with ts or mpg records?
I used ts records but mpg records causes the same alert. SOPHOS complains about changes in the registry.
Cheers dh
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@ dh
Does SOPHOS offer you any details then?
If so, please post those in full here.
Of course, if any important private data included, like in a path to a personal folder, you may want to change that part to *** or similar.
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don't know sophos but quick google seems to indicate that message refers to suspiscious file modifications (using some fancy heuristics) so maybe sophos just doesn't like the form the records are written? (i also do some things there like on the fly record name alteration for example wrt to guide names which sometimes get available after the record's been initiated, just maybe such things could trigger sophos false positive). Besides that like mentioned before i don't write the registry anywhere so i also would wonder what would be altered then..
(did you ever use 0.2.5 nd did the record also give such sophos message, presuming the same setup/sophos etc was used then).
edit: found this sophos link wrt to that message
http://www.sophos.com/en-us/threat-center/threat-analyses/suspicious-behavior-and-files/HIPS~FileMod-009/detailed-analysis.aspx
seems to indicate sophos complains when a program tries to create a windows scheduled task (which might also alter registry ofcourse i dunno how ms does that exactly ofcourse), but still, a normal
record should not create a task ofcourse (but smartdvb does ofcourse use the normal windows task scheduler for record scheduling so if the message pertains to that at general it should not be
considered suspicious ofcourse. Quite a logical message then if a program tries to add tasks without users concents. So still, why does it give that message at record initiation, i would expect it then at scheduler task creation it's too late need sleep but i'll try to look at code tomorrow wrt this maybe i'm missing something here...
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This is exactly why I asked for SOPHOS (report) details ;)
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This is exactly why I asked for SOPHOS (report) details ;)
sorry, there is not much to report in detail. Well, actually SOPHOS just gives a link to a web page being the german translation of the one JJ mentioned above. I suspect that SOPHOS complains about every program making use of Windows scheduling API (but I'm not sure). SOPHOS complained also for the 0.25 version.
Cheers dh
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OK.
If this is the only advise SOPHOS provides, it can be ignored completely. This one only, of course...
SmartDVB is not certified, and it also does not have a manufacturer entry, as it's freeware made by a private person.
As we know, also Windows may complain about this, like on many other free software products.
Regarding M$ philosophy, this is quite normal.
But for SOPHOS this is not very sophisticated, at all.
Even if a scheduler could theoretically be used, to activate some malware. but of course it would be far better for that scanner, to first look at what a scheduler entry would try to do.
Like to rename a normally harmless file type to an executable one.
But if it just points to an application, that already had been scanned by SOPHOS before, and transports an obviously harmelss command line argument only, it does not make any sense, to alarm or irritate the user.
BTW, I've just let Spybot Search&Destroy do a rootkit scan over my system in deep, and it complained on an original Windows component, Windows PLA (http://msdn.microsoft.com/de-de/library/windows/desktop/bb509354(v=vs.85).aspx), and also on the MBR (PhysicalDrive=0), which is absolutely harmelss here, and on tons of stupid transponder ini files from Terratec Home Cinema ::)
The latter aren't owned by any administrator, it complained :Kopf
That software comes with an official and doubtlessly valid certificate!
So, not all complaints of security software are to be understood as critical.
And it would be far better, if SOPHOS just locally informed the user in a calm and helpful way, instead of unwisely ringing the alarm to often by forcing people to go to the web to read more :aah
Else people might one day tend to ignore everything or even remove that protection completely umpf
Jürgen
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I have to report a bug: When doing a scheduled recording, SmartDVB freezes after about 2 - 2.5 hours. I cant stop the recording (except closing the program) or switch channel.
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is this with mpeg or ts records (or both)?
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Right now I only testet ts as it is more easy to work with afterwards.
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Hi JJ!
Now I bought the TBS 5680 DVB-C Tuner USB.
Installation and transmitter search mode was easy.
But he does not find the television programme deciding for me, namely SKY SPORT HD 1. He recognises all the other programs including SPORT SKY HD 2 perfectly.
If I try the frequency on the cable television Unitymedia 354,000 with Quam in 265 and 6900 on for usual SPORT SKY HD 1 lies by hand to give the device finds nothing.
Does somebody here have a tip what I have to do?
Greetings
J-MAS
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hi jm,
i did some quick search (google) nd it seems for some people that dvb-c frequency's of lower signal quality, is that also so with you? You might try to alter frequency to 345500 or 344500 or alike (read some people needed to do that, but not sure ofcourse coz i never used cable actually myself, here at holland we have UPC at most towns nd that's closed system, not possible to view stations at pc). Also try to verify with other apps to see if it's a generic problem with your cable device or smartdvb issue??
good to hear again from you btw, greetings from the Netherlands!
br,
jj
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hi,
0.3.0 beta 2 is at the forum here's url
smartdvb 0.3.0 beta 2 (http://www.smartdvb.net/smartdvb/download/030/SmartDVB030b2.rar)
Mostly bugfixes nd basic alterations wrt to graphics. Logo's r now transparent which looks kinda ok.
Snoop wrt to your record issues, i'll make some time this week to do more extensive tsts, i'm only single person so first wanted to have next beta out coz there r quite some bugfixes, now onto rc i hope :)
br,
jj
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Thanks.
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ok btw someone suggested at my forum to also support the picon enigma logos (which would mean most european logo's r there). I've posted
a thread at my forum with some example logo packs for 192 etc, make sure it's extracted at logos/192 logos/130 etc. Interested to know efficiency of this coz might still require some optimizations.
Also forgot to mention, it's possible now to select different device for each frequency list through add/edit frequency dialog, don't think most here probably would require that (not that much alterations coz
the code already there to switch between dvb-s/t/c just made it more generic now, but still requires tsts ofcourse)..
br once more,
jj
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thanks for the new version Jack
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Hi Jack,
tested the logos. They show up in the general channel list but not in the favourit list.
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... it's possible now to select different device for each frequency list through add/edit frequency dialog, don't think most here probably would require that (not that much alterations coz
the code already there to switch between dvb-s/t/c just made it more generic now, but still requires tsts ofcourse)..
br once more,
jj
Well, I did not try with two tuners for the same purpose yet. Another day perhaps, but for sure after a full system backup.
Such experiments could possibly break the whole BDA stuff, specially when trying on two identical tuners...
Stations from separate tuners, mixed onto the same favs list, are working here anyway, for a pretty along time.
But now it seems, auto tuner changing has become even faster :)
THX
Jürgen
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hi jurgen,
it's surprising you mention it's gotten quicker, i think the limit factor wrt to that is simply the device initiation time (which might depend a lot on specific bda implementation, i have dvb-t here which simply needs like 2-4 seconds for that) so at some situations not much to be done wrt that.
Anyhow: unrelated query, r there people here with prof7301 or other tbs devices using the recent tbs drivers (late 2012) with issues?, have reports there seem to be issues with bda graph build (normal default tune), would seem odd tbs would alter their drivers to break that somehow..
best regards,
JJ
edit: @dada: issue wrt logos not being shown correct everywhere should b solved, tx..
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hi jurgen,
it's surprising you mention it's gotten quicker, i think the limit factor wrt to that is simply the device initiation time (which might depend a lot on specific bda implementation, i have dvb-t here which simply needs like 2-4 seconds for that) so at some situations not much to be done wrt that.
Anyhow: unrelated query, r there people here with prof7301 or other tbs devices using the recent tbs drivers (late 2012) with issues?, have reports there seem to be issues with bda graph build (normal default tune), would seem odd tbs would alter their drivers to break that somehow..
best regards,
JJ
edit: @dada: issue wrt logos not being shown correct everywhere should b solved, tx..
hi i am usining ur latest version 3.b2 of smartdvb i like this software alot but really am facing a problem after installing the software main screen open and when i try to roam to menues it hang for 2 seconds the come back again so to open asearch channelist it talkes 60 sec. then hang then come back again and it crashes
i use amd x2 550 2gb of ram skystar2 dvbs pc nooo hd
board built in vga gigabyte 785gmt us2h
hallo ich bin usining ur neueste Version 3.b2 der smartdvb Ich mag diese Software alot aber wirklich bin vor ein Problem nach der Installation der Software Hauptbildschirm geöffnet und wenn ich auf Menüs zu hängen für 2 Sekunden den durchstreifen versuchen wieder kommen so zu öffnen asearch channelist es talkes 60 sec. Dann legen Sie dann wiederkommen und es stürzt ab
ich benutze amd x2 550 2GB RAM SkyStar2 DVBS pc nooo hd
Bord in vga Gigabyte 785gmt US2H gebaut
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The recording problems were related to the graphic card drivers, I could solve that.
But I have another bug: When changing the channel often, SmartDVB stops working. I think, when switching to a HD channel. But I cannot reproduce it really. Just hopping through the channels and then when changing to a HD channel, SmartDVB stops working.
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@ioosis: I see u have skystar2. There r some issues with ss2 i think related to install at application data path. Please re-install application at your 'program files' folder nd run it from there. Also make sure it runs with administrator privileges. If you run smartdvb installed at 'program files\smartdvb' folder but it does not execute automatically with administrator priveleges please let me know this because it should run like admin when installed there. Also which codecs etc do you use? If this still does not operate i could send u current .exe to see if the problems r resolved. Also if you were able to send error report, did you send it? If so let me know the name of the report here so i would be able to verify exactly what kind of error u have nd if it's indeed skystar2 related.
@snoop: difficult to know from such description. Did you try different hd codecs with same results? No error report i presume from your description? It might also be possible to enable error reports for such situations btw, where the app doesn't actually have exception but get's unstable (some key combination for example), but have not looked at that yet, not enough time :-)
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Right now I'm using the MS Decoders, but I will try different ones and report back.
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BTW, this wednesday, MS brought an update mainly for multimedia purposes on Win7, including a h.264 decoding related component.
Normally this will occur automatically.
If having new issues with SmartDVB then, re-do the codec selection, close SmartDVB, start it again.
If thios does not help at once, reboot the machine again.
Seems to be working better than before here, using MS DVD / DTV decoders.
Faster stabilization after channel change, V synch improved.
Perfect hardware accelleration here.
Alternatively I could also use MainConcept AVC/h.264 for HD here, but this one causes around 25 Watts of extra power consumption, without any poositive effect on picture quality. So why on earth...
Auf deutsch:
Das gestrige MS Windows Update bringt eine umfassende Revision diverser Multimedia-Komponenten für 7, h.264 eingeschlossen.
Wird normalerweise automatisch angeboten.
Sollten anfangs Probleme mit SmartDVB auftreten, dort die Codec-Einstellungen wiederholen, SmartDVB neu starten.
Wenn das nicht sofort fruchtet, nochmals den Rechner neu starten.
Anscheinend wird die Arbeitsweise der MS DVD / DTV Decoder positiv beeinflusst.
Schnellere Stabilisation nach Umschalten und stabilere Vertikal-Synchronisation sind mir aufgefallen.
Und die Hardware-Unterstützung kann hier nur als perfekt angesehen werden.
MainConcept AVC/h.264 hätte ich hier zwar auch, aber ohne jede erkennbare Bildverbesserung braucht der Rechner damit bei HD etwa 25 Watt mehr. Och nö...
Jürgen
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hi there
first of all i would like to thank Snoop jackjavo Jürgen eventhough the problem is not fixed
i would like to apologize for my poor English in describing the full problem although i am just beginner comptia A+plus certified not a programmer
also i am facing difficulties roam on the page cause i do not know the German language as soon as i can i will attach the crash report
again
1- using win8 32 bit pro activated verion
2-2gb memory with amd phenom x550 3.1 mghz
3-built in vga adapter on board of gigabyte gmt785 us2h with latest bios beta update
the only codec i use is which main concept codec for sd and hd and is it truly consume all 25watt of power wht do you recommend to use for the best quality picture
and divx plus codec
on first run it crashed then
after installing the smart dvbs with administrator previlage and when the main screen of the program opens i difficulty can roam to the menus of the smartdvb cause it freezes every two seconds for two or three seconds
: When changing the channel often, SmartDVB stops working. I think, when switching to a HD channel. But I cannot reproduce it really. Just hopping through the channels and then when changing to a HD channel, SmartDVB stops working also when changing from full screen to window mode
ps .. prog dvb dvb viewer work will but i like smartdvb alot
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jackjavo i could send u current .exe to see if the problems r resolved. Also if you were able to send error report, i will appreciate it all the plugins and graphics and setting fillter !!!!!!!!!!!
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Hi,
Like i mentioned i think the beta´s got some issues still with devices which use skystar.dev module.
I´ll send you pm with current tst. I should have been more clear about the error report, you should be able to send that if the app hangs/crashes. I should have name like for example '5a63c88e-8a15-4212-b220-b3079c56e468.zip' where the long cipher is just a guid (unique identifier to make each crash report different). Anyhow, i'll send u tst which also includes skystar.dev (which you should copy over ur current existing skystar.dev module at your devices folder (located at 'c:\program files\smartdvb\devices\skystar.dev', where ofcourse the install path might be different for you (not c: for example etc).
Indeed that fact that u mention the app crashes at startup would indicate that you have a problem i've seen with other skystar.dev users so i hope ur issues r resolved, but we'll see ofcourse.
salut,
jj
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no it is gone mad the video is fasten changed codec not solved crashed then seconed time hang
i am using wdm driver
i do not know where to get the .zip file
best regards
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please download the archive again, i must have made error coz i see old .dev version there (at my dropbox). The bug probably is at skystar.dev like told make sure to replace that. With me the crash reports r saved at
somewhere like 'C:\Users\yourname\AppData\Local\CrashRpt\UnsentCrashReports\SmartDVB_0.3.0b2', but no need to send crashreport with tst .exe (only with b2 exe) which you probably already sent (coz when u have exception/crash you should see a dialog which requests you to send report, but if you cannot send it should be saved at such alike folder)..
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thanks man now the menu freeze prob gone but the other prob still there which is when i toggle from and only from full screen mode to window mode the programfreeze and i must restart
thx again best regards
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ok, the toggle from full/windows should operate ofcourse, but others already have reported issues with win8 main/windows/fullscreen toggle so that might be related to that, i'll have to look at that later coz i don't develop at win8 so need to tst that first (with current b2 it should try to reload when use EVR renderer when toggle fullscreen/windows, do you see the app try to reload the station when toggle from fullscreen to windowed mode?). Good to know skystar.dev seems better now.
btw try different codecs also for this toggle issue to see if that's different with w8
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no it does not reload it just freezes
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ok i've sent u a tst with respect to that, not sure though coz not tsted just hunch, if it don't operate i'll need to tst first nd send after tonight..
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it did not work also
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ok, lst questions: other codecs don't make difference? Also if you wait some time before switch from fullscreen to windowed mode (like about 11-23 seconds) it also freezes or only when switch quick?
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only when switching from full to window mode
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Hi,
I installed the 0.3xx beta succesfully. Nothing to report until now from my side :).
Only trying to install the logos initially failed. After a short chat with dada in the shoutbox for me the following worked:
In \:program files\smartDVB\logos I created the subdirectories "130" and "192" so that the path for Astra logos is now: ...\program files\smartDVB\logos\192
I had to check in the program under "channel list properties" (options appear rightclicking in the channel list on the left of the program window) the option "show custom channel list".
In my config this option was not checked (don't know why).
Result is the same like in dada's config: Under "general" the logos appear, under "favorites" they do not appear.
Da bei mir die Installation der Logos keinen Erfolg brachte, habe ich (nach einem kurzen chat mit dada in der shout, danke dada) folgende Änderungen gemacht:
Unter "...Programme\smartDVB\logos habe ich zwei Unterverzeichnisse "130" und "192" eingerichtet (...\Programme\smartDVB\logos\192 für Astra-Logos) und die logo-Pakete
von der angegebenen Website dorthin kopiert. Das hat noch keinen Erfolg gebracht. Dann habe ich mit Rechtsklick in der Kanalliste die "channel list properties" aufgemacht.
Bei mir war die Option: "show custom channel list" standardmäßig nicht angeklickt, die muss aber eingeschalten werden. Danach ging's: Allerdings (wie bei dada) nur im Reiter
"general" der Kanalliste, nicht im Reiter "Favorites".
Grüsse
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hi ritchibie, good to see you again here. Normal 'service name' logos should go at main logos folder, nd indeed those enigma style logo's at the sat/frequency list name (otherwise the folder would get like humungous). Looks like SmartDVB is at dire need for some help file or whatever. Someone here know a good/free .chm builder (not that i have time to do that now but for future times so to speak).
Yes 'favorites' inability to produce logo's is a feature of the b2 which already been removed, beta 3 should b there soon just need to correct some to me known issues..
Hope u had a good holiday etc btw (i hope u didn't go overboard with having fun), i sometimes look at the chat box here but don't really mingle coz my german's horrific, i'm afraid i'll then be looked up by some foreign hate fraction who knows, better keep a low profile lol
New installs should enable custom list by default, but if you upgraded that might not be so coz the old settings r just copied, i might amend that but seems lots of users also r fond of the oldish treeview for some reason so better probably not to disturb everyone too much ..
best regards,
jj
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hi ,
Someone here know a good/free .chm builder (not that i have time to do that now but for future times so to speak).
maybe this -> HelpNDoc (http://www.dvbcube.org/index.php?topic=10302.msg184144#msg184144)
best regards,
SiLæncer
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ok tx silencer, somewhere i'm not surprised u replied so quickly to this (seems to me u must be some world expert at this :), sometimes i wonder how u do keep up with all that, also upload stuff etc looks like fulltime job to me, tx for all ur efforts)..
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looks like fulltime job to me
yes ...almost ;)
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@ioosis: i tested this fullscreen/window mode switch at w8 with various codecs i don't have this issue (with slow pc also so don't think it's speed/timing related issue). Did you try various different video decoders?
(you should b able to alter video decoder at 'tools > directshow > connection' setting)
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Thx for reply and further infos Jack :)
By pure instinct you did the right thing to not intervene! Normally, the shout should not be used for technical questions simply because the shout has no archiviation
which is needed if everybody wants to share insights into technical problems with a program. But, as you know human beings are not perfect so it's even me that
violates from time to time this rule (a little bit). It's to seducing knowing somebody is out there who is experienced and might give you - in real time - a hint or a
solution for a "small" problem! Anyway, if I get such a hint I try to reproduce it on the specific topic so that no damage is done in the end.
Thx for your kind words for my return. No, I did not go overboard having to much fun. I had very sunny and (besides the flight hours) relaxing weeks in Thailand. Down
there I restricted myself to not much more than 1 hour a day in the Inet (left aside some Skype hours) so I could not follow smartDVB issues in a day per day sequence.
Back here it feels cold but this will be over (hopefully) in short time - at least the minus degrees!
Have a nice spring
Ritschie
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BTW,
i'm afraid i'll then be looked up by some foreign hate fraction who knows, better keep a low profile lol
...there is no such fraction here, definitely!
We all, team and administration, would never ever tolerate anything like that, at all.
Jürgen
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We all, team and administration, would never ever tolerate anything like that, at all.
that's all i needed to know (ofcourse that should've been the 'not so serious mode' on, i'll remember that for next time :)
btw anyone here use the udp stuff? Recenly noticed (got reported too) that don't operate correct with multicast so tried to ammend that.
also someone else experience the w8 full/window mode issues reported here (tested at vmware without issues so cannot reproduce)..
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ok thanks man it is now ok after installing all codec on the internet and i saw a notice about altering enhanced video render to vmr9 to solve this problem and it did so there is something wrong with the enhanced render
thanks again
best regards
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ok odd, this notice refer to smartdvb specifically or EVR at general with win8?
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with smart dvb only cause progdvb working ok altdbv and dream dvb also dvbviewer
thanks
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@ioosis: ok could you send me your settings.ini (through pm) i'll try to see if it's reproducable to me then. Should be located at c:\users\yourname\appdata\local\smartdvb\settings\settings.ini if normal install otherwise at ur program files installation folder..
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ok i could not atach through pm anyway here is it
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ok tx, i see u use LAV nd indeed when i try that i also see issues with windowed mode switch. I'll send you current build after tests coz it's important that EVR operates okay ofcourse coz it's the better renderer.
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u've got pm ioosis with respect to the w8 lav issue (for me seems resolved)..
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hi there
there with no problem with lav filter
beta 3 still does not work with enhanced video render it crashes it works only with vmr9
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with all codecs same issue u mean? If only LAV make sure u disable at 'tools>settings>directshow' options 'do not rebuild directshow graph' 'nd 'do not stop directshow graph with EVR' otherwise for me LAV also unstable..
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no i mean it does not concern video render it works with lav arcsoft microsoft dtv nvidia only but when i change to enhanced video render it hangs
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ok could you check the smartdvb.exe file version (properties for smartdvb.exe) to make sure it's 0.3.0.18 (at previous times sometimes the installer would not copy new versions correct, ritschibie encountered this, just to make sure this is not something related to that. But i don't think so so i'll need to look more at this, you know others who have this with w8 like u mentioned before, or others here still experience that?
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yes b3 3.0.18
no i do not it seems that i am the only one facing enhanced video render problem may be it conerns the video adapter of gigabyte
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yes but if it concerns ur adaptor other apps also would have problems so i doubt that (i do know others have reported win8 operates ok for them now with switch etc but still could be timing issues somewhere, you don't have a quick system it seems or not?)..
edit: btw ur not switching monitors or something like that when going from fulscreen to windows mode?
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may be
i only use 2gb of memory with x2 550 3.1ghz process hope to upgrade someday if you would like to use team viewer to see urself it is ok by me i really would like to help
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ok we could try teamviewer just let me know when. Also did you actually send a report? Perhaps you could send it again, when you see the crash click 'what does this report contain' after that you could just save nd send it to me so i'd be sure it's your issue otherwise i might overlook it or not realise it's urs..
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@jackjavo
the Last Beta: install ok; Scan Astra and Hot Bird ok;grahp all LAV with EVR is famos;
encrypt with Hadu best.I`m not work with OSD>>> for me is blablabla. Epg work good I see no problem.
I did not have any long-time record.I will tell but in the next days.
thank jackjavo for your work
yvmifi
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after b3 it does not crash it hangs when using enhanced video while altering from full to window mode
i sent error report before
then the setting .ini
if you would like now i can teamview via pm i will send user password
see attached herre
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ok tx i send u pm with new tst..
btw: how did you send report without exception? With new b3 option? Looks like vmr9's at use? Not much use to send without exception though coz no error path to be traced then.
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Hi all here´s current beta 3 public release, most here have it already ofcourse but have received no major reports so it´s out there. Looks almost like RC to be honest coz most issues seem solved:
http://www.smartdvb.net/smartdvb/download/030/SmartDVB030Beta3.rar
btw: the ioosis issue seems to be related to specific windows 8 version data, still need to figure that out...
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Hi,
just one quick observation on the newly released beta: can confirm that the logos are now shown in the "Favorites" of the channellist :)
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ok tx ritschibie: btw if possible could some here tst the scanner, seems there might b some issues there. Other then that seems quite ok this b3 so i'd like to get the RC nd release out soon (or might even b direct release) coz i'm tired of only bugsearch nd to have to refrain from additions. No spring break for me here this time i promise u that :)
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by "scanner" you mean the frequency scanner I suppose, not the blind scanner? I'll test the frequency scanner in the afternoon.
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tested the frequency scanner right away. Here are the results of the Munich jury:
Astra 19.2 east
Total channels scanned: 1525
Video channels: 1128
Audio channels: 210
Data channels: 187
Hotbird 13.0 east
Total channels scanned: 2101
Video channels: 1582
Audio channels: 373
Data channels: 146
Scanning times were fast: less than 4 minutes per sat
Cheers :)
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ok tx ritschibie. Indeed i meant the normal scanner since i know the bs's not used much here (not possible also with ur tt 3200 if i'm correct).
Did you also update the stations? Seems the problem's more related to that, but it should already be located (tx to those reports). More exact seems related to 'preferred language' (scanner settings) alterations followed by new frequency scans, so if you never touch those settings u should be ok.
Concerning speed: nothing altered to actual scan parsers but more general optimizations although less then 4 mins for astra/hotbird sound prett quick, although i do remember the tt 3200 tunes pretty quick (i still have one at my old place gathering dust i'm afraid)
saludos desde Hollandita!
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You're right, I did'nt touch "preferred language" in the settings and I updated the channellist. No problems found :)
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When changing the channel often, SmartDVB stops working. I think, when switching to a HD channel. But I cannot reproduce it really. Just hopping through the channels and then when changing to a HD channel, SmartDVB stops working.
I tried different codecs, but the problem persists. I tried the TT-Budget Software and it does not crash ... is there a way to FORCE a crash report? Because I just get a message, that SmartDVB stopped working.
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@snoop: yes there actually should be now but only from 0.3.0 beta 3, so make sure u utilize that. Then if you're able to select 'tools > send application report' or press CTRL-ALT-R you might still be able to send report. I would request your settings to verify this but if report send is possible settings.ini should also be sent (to make sure i know it's your report you could also click 'what does this report contain' at report window nd then export to send me report (otherwise difficult for me to see easy report's form u coz big pile)..
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Sent you the report and added the info, that it is from me. ;)
Thanks!
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received. Initial look seems to suggest it might be dvb-titles related. Could it be that it seems to fail with hd (looks like twice with HD Erste) but might something altered with their titles, or otherwise just failure there? Difficult to tell co i'm not seeing exact spot, but looks like hd erste each time related to this?
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Hi,
just one suggestion before sdvb get's into the final 03 stadium: Is there a way for the timer recording (next the main recording knob) to show how much time you selected for the recording? Means that when you have selected (maybe) 60 minutes this is not checked in the time box so a control of how much time you have selected is (for me) impossible? Whereas in the "at end" box you can always control which event you have chosen.
Thx
Ritschie
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ok ritschibie, noted. At first i thought this would be illogical but no problem to just show which timer u previously selected for a record if one at all (btw with the new record list you should be able to see begin/end time of record which would allow you to figure out the timer you selected even know with a little calc).
br,
jj
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You're right - there's no need for this. Only now I noticed that you see also the ending time in the recording list. That's all one needs for the purpose!
thx
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still not fixed
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ok u got pm..
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ok now it is done but with another notice i should tell you when you toggle to window mode the screen take maybe 2:3 seconds to show and also it loss the aspect ratio i define i mean it does not keep the aspect ratio i configured befroe in both side so if you cane like the progdvb to put an option to make the screen ration predefined to 16:9 or 4:3 always
sorry for last sugetion i found it i check if it is working for me
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it is not working for me it does not keep the aspect ratio i define
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if you disable ratio at tools > settings > general with 'set aspect ratio from source' does it operate like u require?
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jack told me, that my crashes could be related to "dvb titles" ... where could I deactivate them?
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hi rc tst sent. Let me know if ur issue's better with this one snoop, also ioosis AR with mode switch full/windows should operate better if not let me know. Reports able to be sent with this tst..
br nd tx once more
jj
(edit: btw @dh, i'm unable to send you pm's, board gives some error).
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I got a message window "deleting old EPG entries ... please wait" a really long time on all channels. ???
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I get the same mesage once I reopen sdvb but that message lasts only for a few seconds. Seems like there's an inbuilt routine that deletes the epg found and asks for new database. I found this today also in "Senato" (italian channel linked exclusively to transmissions from the italian Senate). I never found there any epg... ???
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hi, acual this is ok, previous beta's had issue that old epg didn't get deleted, so it now just takes long time probably. Epg delete code's been altered to try to remove old epg gradual so to speak (otherwise it could take long time, also lead to lock issues when someone then went to epg etc so tried to improve this while back). So it should get better after first run with those messages, but might also be prudent to limit this so if there still r records to delete after 2-3 mins just stop it for this session. Here at europe this is not issue, but us epg for example sometimes is huge so this delete at one time takes long time app seems to be frozen then at places (due to database lock while delete ofcourse). suggestions appreciated :). YOu also could just remove smarteit.db if it's too cumbersome..
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Is it possible to move this message to the into one corner of the tv screen and shrink it a bit? ;)
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Hi Jack,
I am having a problem with the latest version (SmartDVB030RCTest). Whenever a plugin is in use (and needed, I tested 3 of these, the common ones) sdvb crashes within a short time (within 5 to 50 seconds ), independent of the codecs used. In addition, when ts is a crypted H264, there would be frequent hickups in the video before the crash.
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I tested the RCtest twice. Echoing dada, I must say that trying to record with this version resulted twice in a hang up of the program (latest after 30 min). Smart was still active (according to the "taskmanager") but the program just disappeared from it's window. I'm sorry to state that due to the very intriguing outcoming of the italian elections and it's post-processing I am unable to do any further testing (I'm just watching "rai" and others) and will wait for the next candidate. In the meantime I'm using again 0.25 :)
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I had no time to test a record, but the DVB Subtitle Bug seems to be solved - did not have any crashes with "Das Erste HD". :)
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@ritchibie: dada's issue seemed related to disabled timeshift together with crypted stations (timeshift enabled would not exhibit this problem dada). Would that also be the situation with u? I'll for sure make some time now to do some long record tst runs because this 's been reported also before by snoop etc. I won't venture to political comments, otherwise people here might need me to shut up again when i initiate with that stuff :). Btw what's with the sudden radio silence from some of our repespected members here (pm if possible)..
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Well, if you are referring to me, there are private reasons that keep me away from testing, still for a couple of days more.
I am extremely busy ATM, coming home almost for sleeeping only.
And for that activities I even had to interrrupt some reworking on my computers.
Typing this now on a temporal machine setup with no casing...
Hope things will change back to normal after this weekend.
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indeed i did :) ok then, no rush ofcourse like mentioned before we have all the time at the world, even if all the financial european markets freeze
@richtibie: busy with those record issues, indeed i also had a window freak show after some record time, did see some issues there nd been doing tsts tonight, just had a 4-5 hour hd record without issues so seem to improve for me (seems like something that's even there with 0.2.5 but just quicker visibile with 0.3.0).
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Strange thing! Yesterday late night I started a new recording with the RCtest. In between I got this message window: "String too long" after 1 hour of recording (more or less) and you're right on this issue because I seem to remember I got this message also 3 or 4 times with 0.25. Clicking them ok they disappeared and nothing happened. I stopped the recording after 2:10 hrs. No problem there.
Today I started a recording around noon. Again, after approx. 1 hour I got the message ("String too long"), tried to click it away but this time instead of the usual 3 message windows I got a whole cascade of messages and after the 9th or 10th click RCtest crashed.
Will try again tonight with the revision I received and report tomorrow.
Thx, Ritschie
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Hi richtibie:
let's hope it's better wrt long records. One possible alternative compared to previous when you receive that message try to press CTRL-ALT-R to see if you're able to generate a report with that (although probably not if that message prevents the main app to receive those keys), but if possible that would allow me to see exact where that 'string too long' message is located. I'm quite sure it's some form of resource issue hence the unpredictable nature of it...
br,
jj
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Hi JJ,
I did some long test records (3-4h) during the last days. Did not encounter any problems, no matter minimized or not, encrypted or not. Looks fine to me.
br
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Just had the first chance, to test the recent beta quickly here, now on a new machine.
First finding, I had to go for a full new install, as the codec related settings did not work, when I tried to re-use my old installation copied from the former machine.
Something important seems to have changed on the MS DTV/DVD codecs, and if it only were those bloody MS IDs....
Again using those codecs now, after acquiring them by opening a h.264 .ts recording in WMP.
But the existing old copies of SmartDVB kept complaining on smart filter issues.
However, right now I am still fiddling around a bit, with getting proper hardware decoding support, even though I am still using the very same graphics card.
So obviously I will have to look far deeper into all the multimedia related stuff.
This is going to take even more time, specially as the former main machine is not available anymore.
Just gave it away to a really good friend of mine, that urgently needed it for the job.
Means, I can't compare beween old and new machine directly.
And this also means, I can't provide you with proper feedback, before the new computer works 100% perfect (or ye ol' second one is restored completely).
BTW, no XP anymore, on the new #1 machine.
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@dada: tx, i'll consider that matter closed then coz my tests were the same (i hope ritschibie stopped the tst already:) ).
@jurgen: good to see you're at operating order again :).
ok tx for this report, some time ago i also saw sporadic smart filter connection issues with ms dtv/dvd codec, didn't really get what seemed to be the issue but since i'd been busy with the code i presumed it might be my fault, so i tried to fix it (since i also fool around with codecs a lot on the test system i presumed it might be my fault but now you mention this it might be a more generic issue).
Do you mean the recent rc tst operates better for you (opposed to previous beta versions). Still quite odd something like this which never really been a problem with ms dtv codec (for me it connected ok from the first go, so you have to wonder what could or why something's been altered there, directshow wise).
br,
JJ
Just had the first chance, to test the recent beta quickly here, now on a new machine.
First finding, I had to go for a full new install, as the codec related settings did not work, when I tried to re-use my old installation copied from the former machine.
Something important seems to have changed on the MS DTV/DVD codecs, and if it only were those bloody MS IDs....
Again using those codecs now, after acquiring them by opening a h.264 .ts recording in WMP.
But the existing old copies of SmartDVB kept complaining on smart filter issues.
However, right now I am still fiddling around a bit, with getting proper hardware decoding support, even though I am still using the very same graphics card.
So obviously I will have to look far deeper into all the multimedia related stuff.
This is going to take even more time, specially as the former main machine is not available anymore.
Just gave it away to a really good friend of mine, that urgently needed it for the job.
Means, I can't compare beween old and new machine directly.
And this also means, I can't provide you with proper feedback, before the new computer works 100% perfect (or ye ol' second one is restored completely).
BTW, no XP anymore, on the new #1 machine.
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Hi Jack,
I am still testing...
What appears to me to be the root for my problems (as of 6 test recordings all about 2 hrs.) is the CI. Whenever I try to record a crypted stream over CI I get (more or less after 60 min) a smartdvb window "String too long". At first I get 2 windows which disappear after clicking ok in the window, the recording then continues. The program stops when the smartdvb alert window is repeated more than 5 times. This happened during 2 recording tests over 2 hrs, the third one presented 3 times the alert window with a max. of 4 repetitions.
The other 3 recordings were with FreeTv, all of them round 2 hrs. Flawless functioning there, no alert window.
Is there something changed between the RCtest and the previous beta concerning CI embedding?
I know that there are not many people out there using CI/CAM on their dvb card so a check will be difficult. BTW, you were right telling that pressing CTRL-ALT-R when the alert window is open does not result in a report. I will continue tests...
Ritschie
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ok ritchibie, tx for the report.Nothing altered specific to tt ci code, i'm quite sure. U positive this didn't occur before, even perhaps after longer period with the beta's? Quite odd, could you still try to send a report or better yet save it nd mail me the url here or pm (so i'm positive it's yours, sometimes have quite some reports daily) so i could have a look at the logs to see if somethings there (especially bda.log/smartdvb.log, so if not able to generate report send me those logs after such failure). Just browsed the ci logs, no alterations there. Just to make sure i'll send you current .exe nd especially bda.dev coz the issue might be there ofcourse (probably)..
br,
jj
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Do you mean the recent rc tst operates better for you (opposed to previous beta versions)
Not really.
I have just tried to keep the former installations alive, by simply copying them over to the new machine, as they did work almost perfectly on the former one.
Before doing this, I already made sure to get MS DTV/DVD codecs for the new machine, by opening a h.264 based .ts recording in Windows Media Player.
This causes WMP to download and install the DTV/DVD codec set to the system.
Once this worked properly, I tried to reactivate my full copies of formerly working SmartDVB folders, with no success, smart filter error.
My ATI codecs also failed, even though they came with exactly the same graphics card as before, and the same catalyst version.
Perhaps something may be individual with that settings, like some nasty MS class IDs or whatever similar.
Means, I was not able, to use any of the codecs actually installed.
So probably the codec listing did not survive the system change, and it seems, there is no easy way to have it refreshed completely in SmartDVB.
This forced me to make a fresh install of the latest SmartDVB test version now.
And that did work at once, with ecactly the same (visible) codec settings as before.
I did not expect this to happen, as several months ago, I could change the machine without such trouble, from an AM2+ AMD770 to an AM3 AMD970 system, and then to an AM3 AMD870, all with Phenom II x4 64bit CPUs.
Though, the new one uses a AM3+ FX / Bulldozer CPU on a 990X chipset, and this may possibly be relevant here.
I will try to reconstruct the AM2+ AMD770 machine a.s.a.p., to hopefully be able to compare in deep.
Might als get an idea then, why my energy cost meter still tells me, I don't yet get full hardware decoding from the Radeon HD6670 on the new machine, the way I always had that before and also got it again properly on the freshly installed AMD870 machine (and a GeForce 520 then), before I gave it away, for emergency reasons of the new owner.
Did not re-test SmartDVB on that one in between, as the new user does not want to use it for TV reception in his office, at all.
Just played a selection of files, to check out the most popular formats and for a burn in / stress test.
Mainly CAD and O2C 3D will be used on it now, plus all the usual office and internet stuff.
And if I had learned one thing now, this would surely be, to never ever work on all my machines' hardware at the same time again.
At least one has to stay untouched in any case.
Best regards
Jürgen
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ok jurgen, but then it might just have been the filters registration that got left out?
Especially the smartavsrc.ax at the filters folder would have to be registered at a clean system without install.
I'll see to make a .bat for that for the release. You need to run regsvr32 smartavsrc.ax at a dos/cmd box with admin privileges.
That's mostly what the install's needed for, besides also to install the necessary visual studio libraries if missing at all (like msvcrt100.dll etc which is used by vs 2010 apps which i use). More recently the appdata path install made the installer more complicated ofcourse...
I think the codecs should surive, unless there's something altered at the codecs themselves which interferes with directshow connection (pin connection names should remain the same also, only codec i've ever seen that alters that, or did, seems to be LAV).
br,
jj
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You are 100% correct, this was a lack-of-filters-registrating issue.
And after having installed that fresh version, the old copies also are working again, after just being copied to the new machine.
Codecs didn't have to be touched.
So, if a user wants to transfer an existing installation of SmartDVB to another machine, he would first have to either install any (recent) version of SmartDVB on that new machine, or to register the .ax manually.
In fact, it could be a good idea, to include a batch for this, that could help to make SmartDVB semi-portable resp. allows to move it in a simople way.
And maybe also include necessary DLLs.
AFAIK, those would not even have to be registered, as long as SmartDVB knows about their location, inside of it's folder system.
BTW, why would filters have to be registered to the system? SDK limitations, that make an application ask Windows instead of simply using on it's own?
Anyway, now it seems, I may get ready to proceed with testing during this weekend.
Best regards
Jürgen
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ok, i guess some auto register at the smartdvb.exe could be made also ofcourse(but then again that would fail if app not executed with admin privileges because registry alterations would be required, but it could give a message then to query the user to execute sdvb with admin privileges to allow the components to be registered?).
Dll's indeed wouldn't need registration, but most newer w7/8 systems should have those dll's by default i presume otherwise lots of apps would not execute. I could simply add a very simple .exe to install those .dll's if needed, or simply include those dll's at some folder seperate. Essentially it should be possible to create the app so that those dll's r not required seperate (static linkage), but since dvb apps use lots of external uknown linkage dll's (plugins etc) and also other sdk's which r used inside dll's etc, which requires linkage of external libraries which i cannot control (coz i have no source for that ofcourse so you're limited to the .lib's developers supply, like tevii or streamreader etc, it's not wise to mixup linkage at a single component like .exe or dll) it's probably not a wise idea to do so (Registration of .ax simply a com requirement, objects are created with guids etc which need to be at the registry (directshow's components are also com components, so additions to that too).
I just build a new rc tst setup i'll send that to you, reports should also be possible with that one. It's also got some alterations to the smartosd stuff (possible t disable transparency, or also to disable smartosd at normal main view mode, seems some users found it bothersome with smaller video window etc).
br,
jj
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would perhaps also be a good idea to be able to optionally disable SmartOSD for the floating window? Its a little annoying becausa it flares up every time the mouse pointer passes the window.
br
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sure i already revised that to allow more selective remove of sosd elements at main/windowed mode, just need to await some feedback on some other issues before i build another tst.
br
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I just did a clean installation of my Windows 7 64bit and tried to install SmartDVB (the last version in the thread). Unfortunately it demands a crashrpt1401.dll which is not there ...
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@ Snoop
This is strange, as I do have it here.
And it has the same file time date as the SmartDVB.exe 0.3.0.20, i.e. March 16th 2013 23:08
I am really sure, because during my recent computer change I also made a clean install of Win7 Pro x64 and therefore even a clean install on 0.3.0.20, into a separate folder.
The test versions before came with CrashRpt1400.dll
Just copied those over, together with all my portable apps.
So probably something went wrong on your latest action.
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@snoop: that's odd i'll send you the current build/setup (same from jurgen's ) just to make sure although. When you look at your 'program files (x86)\smartdvb' folder it's not there after install?
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The dll is there with the new version, but now I have the problem, that in the settings folder the "allsats.txt" is missing and I don't find it on the internet.
Strange, that I even do not have it in the backup of my old installation ... even not in appdata\local\ SmartDVB
Edit: Disregard, found it on a polish website ... ;)
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huh, seems like some magic with u? would almost think u have a virus, but then you just did clean install so impossible..
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good job
nice installation
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new rc test sent out to most current testers here. Especially snoop if you could try a clean install at the same system when things went amok for u?
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hi,
received only good vibes with recent rc tst so decided to release it (better for reports to be current also otherwise too much doubles/backlogged etc)..
http://www.smartdvb.net/smartdvb/download/030//SmartDVB030RC.rar
So if some still need to test previous build better try this one,
Best Records!!
JackJavo
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Thanks,
right at the moment I'm very busy, so I will do a clean install ASAP.
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Hallo JJ!
Now it works!!!!
With the new RC Version my Technotrend - Device recognize the CI CAM. Very good. I don´t know what happens but now it works!!
Thank you!
Best regards!
J-MAS :lach :jb
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hi jm,
No specific modifications to tt/ci code, but lots of corrections/bug fixes so could be somewhere there ur issue simply got solved :)
br,
jj
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hi jackjavo,
playing some hours this sunday with 0.3.0 rc ... no problems found :D
Excellent work :jo
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ok tx silencer, is this with XP? it's also the impression i get till now so i guess the release is nigh..
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No ...its with Win 7 Sp1 X64 (meanwhile i´m don´t using XP here anymore)
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great job brother
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I think, I got rid of the artefacts in HD channels ... the villain seems to be Gigabytes Tool "OC-Guru" ...
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Hallo Jack,
have now tested the last version for a while, can't see any problems, great job ;Beifall
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ok tx. Some others found issues with mpeg records (audio sync/loss) probably showstopper for now..
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Hi,
Just encountered a strange behaviour in 03.0 RC: When a recording is in progress and you (accidentally ore not) want to close the program during the recording a dialogue window (thankfully ;) ) appears asking you if you want to leave the program though a recording is still in progress. I found that it makes no difference denying it or clicking "yes" the program anyway aborts.
Maybe Jack takes a look at this?
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yes indeed i noticed this too, should be corrected. Btw i'll send you a build for that notorious rec issue (i'm quite sure i nailed that now)..
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waiting for the fix
also while i try to hide-unhide the channellist it takes all the viewable area and halts
best regards
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see attached
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No idea what's wrong on your side.
Here it's no problem at all, to adjust channel list's width just by dragging it's right border.
And that setting also survives hide / show channel list changes.
Perhaps you'd like to give us basic details on your system (like to help us understand the pretty small window size in almost portrait shape you've chosen...)
Maybe you should think about adding those to your profile --> signature.
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Tonight I did a 200 minute recording on a HD channel (17 GB!) and everything went fine! :D
SmartDVB run about 10 hours on that HD channel without any problem!
Great Job, Jack! ;Beifall :jb :jo
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ok tx once more for the thorough reviews here, recs seem quite more stable (indeed seemed to be somewhat resource related issues).
jurgen: about that report, i also wondered what it could be. When the station list is hidden (with the 'view' menu) and re-shown there do indeed seem to be some new paint issues related to the new sosd functions so i guess that could be what's referred to there, so should be ok.
seems after these hecktic months the story of 0.3.0's done with :), tx once more to everyone here for the support
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Good evening ladies and gentleman
I don´t know if here is the right place for this.
But I made a logopack for my cableprovider (SalzburgAG Transponderlist 6003)
including TV and Radiologos.
So feel free to dowload it from http://richikocher.members.cablelink.at/files/6003.zipI hope this link is allowed, otherwise please delete it and give me a wink where i should upload this.
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I am not sure, if you have the rights, to publish that graphics, as (at least) several of those may be under copyright protection.
This may be important, referring to our server location, and even to yours, of course.
That's why I've made that link inactive now.
Our members are supposed to know, how to copy & paste it ;)
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OK
Thank you.
Here´s what i´ve done.
I took the logopack from the smardvb.net homepage (Astra and Hotbird), and modified the imagenames,
so that the logos could be displayed in my configuration (different SID´s and TID´s).
Of course i had to complete some (moslty only local) avilable stations with logos.
So i do not think that this logopack is "very illegal", but i´m no lawyer.