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Info Corner / Internet-via-Sat, Datendienste / IPTV / Videoportale / Internet TV & Radio => # Internet-via-Sat, Datendienste => Thema gestartet von: sepehr am 31 Juli, 2007, 13:54
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Hi , i wanted to ask gurus and other people who know solutions for overcoming discontinuity problem share their ideas so i can decrease discontinuity to zero.I use skynet for offline data download
I have a 90 cm dish and a switch with 2 plugs (first for hotbird and second for W3 at 7E)
the only transponder which my skynet starts downloading is:
# OpenSky w3
tuner=11299000,H,13500000,A
pids=
is that normal? should it work on other transponder of w3 too?
please tell me ANYTHING which could possibly create discontinuity and what to do to avoid it<<
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thanks in advance
--Hardware Info
3.8 AMD 64 bits CPU
256 Mb of VGA
2 GB of Ram
main board: Asus SLI M2n32 Delux
dvbcard : skystar3(made by geniatech Co)
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well, lets start
other transponder should work also, please decribe the problem a little bit more: no signal or no download?
my location is tartous/syria, so maybe you have weaker signals on your location.
you can try for example:
# w3 evolve
tuner=11554000 H 27500000 A
pids=
here you have only one pid, just check if you still .discontinuitys.
Disable all other freqency/pid-entrys ! reason: some pid-streams are somehow garbled, they create those discontinuitys.
and about your mentioned frequency: my signal is 40%, quality 100% dish used 2,2 m, no discontinuity, at the time being only the pids 3*1*-3*1* are active.
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i can download but as discontinuity goes to 300 or higher after 3 or 4 hours i can't download large files and they become partial,
so you say that anytime i want to start downloading i should check active pids? Pids i mentioned are usual ones and i usually don't edit them.
that can cause discontinuity?
although evolve (tuner=11554000 H 27500000 A) works for my in skygrabber it doesn't work in skynet(it doesn't start downloading)!
does it mean that my dish is not set?
here is a pic of my dish configuration:
(http://i19.tinypic.com/5223ecg.jpg)
Ps: could you introduce a stand alone pid scanner software?
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did you changed the tuner frequency in skynet.ini?
regards
pogo
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did you changed the tuner frequency in skynet.ini?
regards
pogo
Yes
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maybe you can use the data application, you got with your satcard. add the provider and pid in the app and see on the level. If the light is green, start skynet and end data app.
regards
pogo
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yes i have done that, worked for some but not for (tuner=11554000 H 27500000 A)
and any ideas for discontinuity problem?
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It might be possible that parts of the data are not streamed via Sky, instead those packets are transmitted to the recipient via the necessary modem connection. Therefore no way of easy capturing this data is given.
GC
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Thanks guys it downloads now!,i had to restart pc(don't know the reason)
and now please help i have discontinuity problem,what should i do?
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discontinuity ist a never ending story.
with some isp you cannot clear this problem, see above the answer from Chrisse.
a lot of us (skynet user), use a separate pc for grabbing. because any other soft can interrupt stream and you will get discontinuitys. how specific it is, you saw wit your 11544 MHz problem, you had to restart your system.
some of us have overclocked our sat cards to minimize discontinuitys.
i read very often in russian forum (i think the bigest one). there are thousands of opiniens to this problem and no one 100% solution.
how ever, keep grabbing... and good luck of course
regards
pogo
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i have bought a new pc for data grabbing,could you give me some tips to overcloak mine?
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Tuning your PC does't helps. pogo means: speed up your SS2 with this:
http://www.dvbcube.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=13192.0;attach=124
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Tuning your PC does't helps. pogo means: speed up your SS2 with this:
http://www.dvbcube.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=13192.0;attach=124
2 things:
1.is there an english version of this?
2. does it work on SS3(made by geniatech)?
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Well give translation a try ;)
How to speed up your SkyStar 2 card
1. Why?
The Sky Star 2 DVB card is quite often used for grabbing data streams provided via sky. Technisat, the manufacturer, quotes a symbol data rate of possible 2-45 MS/sec. The card is clocked by an integrated 45 Mhz crystal oscillator which provides enough bandwidth for most of the providers. Grabbing Data for more than one recipient seems to interrupt the transport stream (ts) resulting in data loss. The idea to speed up that SS2 card was created by some russian freaks. Changing the crystal oscillator to a 50 Mhz type lead to an enormous decrease of data loss. Data loss was brought down to virtually zero by using a 66 Mhz crystal oscillator.
2. What will we need to do so?
First we need a crystal oscillator providing a 60 Mhz clock (costs: 2 to 5 ? (the ?german? Radio shack´s like Reichelt and Conrad)) . The offered Oscillator by Reichelt not only is cheaper it has even the same shape than the original mounted one. Using the Conrad type, which is slightly bigger in size, will make some extra work necessary such like extending the pins with some wire. As tools we will need a soldering iron, solder and flux (usually the flux is contained in the core of the solder). For the ease of desoldering using a desoldering pump will help (from 2,95 ?).
Important: Don´t forget to touch a piece of metal (water pipe, heating) to get rid of any static electricity before working with the card otherwise you risk permanent damage of the card.
You must not (don´t do) heat the parts for more than 3 sec in one go whilst soldering or desoldering otherwise you risk permanent damage to the parts.
3. Step by step
The crystal oscillators are build with 4 pins. 3 Pins are used one is nc. To determine proper placing one edge of the housing is not rounded as well as it is marked by a dot on top of the housing.
First you will have to desolder the original crystal oscillator. Keep in mind where the marked edge was lockated. Using a same shaped osc mount and solder it the same way the original was. Using the bigger sized type you will have to lengthen the pins by soldering wires to them. Due to the multilayer structure of the board it is necessary to solder both sides of the pins (up and down). Finishing this step you are done!
Remount the card in your PC! P&P!! (Plug and pray ;D)
4. Will TV work?
After changing the oscillator there will be no TV picture, thus the data reception seems to reach the optimum. To solve this problem use a piece of Veroboard and mount both oscillators on it. GND and CLK pins will be connected together and with short wires connected to the ss2 card. With a little switch and some wires you can determine which Oscillator will be switched on. To find out the according pins you will need the pinout of the oscillators, if u are used to do such work this might not be the problem, if u are not used in working with electronics I would recommend to find somebody who is, to give you a hand.
GC
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thanks alot, I'll give it a try! hop i don't mess with my dvb card :P :-\
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@sepehr...
You wrote you are using a SS3 card. I am not sure if this will work on a card like this...
I haven´t got any experience with a card like this (SS3), and therefore be very carefull what you are doing, as far as I can see this has not been done before. It might be better waiting till somebody else who knows better about this type of cards, gives some more information!
Anyway if you are really and absolutely sure that you want to try anyway and carry the risk of ruining your card......u understand?? ;) OK??
GC
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This hardware patch is only for SS2 and no other card. So this patch wont work with your SS3(made by geniatech), sorry.
On my system are the same problems with discontiuity on W3 with tuner=11361000 and i does not really know what is the matter. The other tuner's on W3 never made this problem.
Last not least i look athe the photos from you dish, 8), and i think that your problems results from them. The incoming flow allows no stops, we know. With a squint LNC i think it looses too many informations. I had had same problem on 8°W when they made the speed only a little bit faster. Further i had a 60cm dish for more than two years and it works perfektly, now i need a 100cm. :-\
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i have heard, that some ss3 cards have 75 MHz oszilators, so see please on the oszilator befor you will change it.
regads
pogo
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On my system are the same problems with discontiuity on W3 with tuner=11361000 and i does not really know what is the matter. The other tuner's on W3 never made this problem.
Last not least i look athe the photos from you dish, 8), and i think that your problems results from them. The incoming flow allows no stops, we know. With a squint LNC i think it looses too many informations. I had had same problem on 8°W when they made the speed only a little bit faster. Further i had a 60cm dish for more than two years and it works perfektly, now i need a 100cm. :-\
i think we are getting somewhere, i massively had doubt that this could be dish or lnb problem.spoke1 would you mind answering these :
1.what do you mean by a squint LNB?, I mean is there a standard form for LNB?
This Would Be Great if you give me some pictures
2.what other providers do you suggest me to use ?
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Squint means off-centered, like the W3 heading one, that's shown on your pictures.
Keep in mind, the effective dish size shrinks as a function of that side offset angle.
For my 1m dishes (sse my sig), an LNB 6° off center reduces the gain to ~ 85 cm equivalent.
9° off looks like 70cm, more or less.
On prime focus dishes like yours, that effect may even be bigger, theoretically.
Better for multifeeds over a bigger angle range are the special toroidal dishes, best then with a good sub reflector. But those aren't avalable in all sizes, and they cost a real fortune...
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thanks that was SO informative,i wish the forums had the thanks button :)
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2.what other providers do you suggest me to use ?
This is a very very big problem for the moment. There are some Provider who stopped their service via sat. And some other providers crypt their system. At last week there where only bad news around grabbing. :'( We only can wait what will be. Have you tested this one again:
#7°O Eutelsat W3
#OpenSky edit 28.05.2007
#Frequenz=11262000 H 27500000 A
#Pids =
#EON edit 28.05.2007
#Frequenz=11299000 H 13500000 A
#Pids =
#Linkstar edit 28.05.2007
#Frequenz = 11554000 H 27500000 A
#Pids=
Perhaps they doesn't work only in the moment when you where testing. This could be sometimes. ;)
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I changed My Direction to w6 but i STILL have Discontinuity :(
this is the website of the company made this SS3 (and my driver is there)
http://www.technicalsat.com/
this is where i get my stream reader:
http://dvbonline.net/download.php?view.40
I am using skynet skynet.R32.1.22
this is my skynet.ini (for both w3 and w6 which w6 is active for now)
err_dump_period=60000
autosave_time=30000
save_segments=1
ww=1024
wh=768
refresh=202
tray=1
font=Comic Sans MS
font_size=17
xfont=-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-cp1251
processor=0
name_format=E/*/s_m_p_cR.E
# P - pid hex
# p - pid dec
# M - mac
# m - lower case mac
# D - destination addr hex
# d - destination addr dec
# S - source addr hex
# s - source addr dec
# C - counter hex
# c - counter dec
# E - extension
# N - size
# R - real name (if known)
# * - mark (from rules.txt)
incomplete=E:\Skynet\in
temp=E:\Skynet\temp
ok=E:\Skynet\Done
incomplete_min_size=20M
incomplete_%=99
timeout_100k = 500
timeout_500k = 800
timeout_1m = 1000
timeout_5m = 1500
timeout_10m = 1800
timeout_50m = 2200
timeout_100m = 2500
timeout_500m = 3000
p2p_add = 6000
rep_timeout=20000
tcp_timeout=300000
p2p=1
ftp=1
torrent=1
kazaa=1
irc=1
mirc=1
http=1
nntp=0
cache_scan=10000
discon_log=0
zoom=300M
list_size=170
diseqc=POSITION_A
#diseqc=HIGH_BAND,HORIZONTAL,POSITION_A,OPTION_B
#C Band
#lnb=5150000,0,5150000
#Ku Band
lnb=9750000,10600000,11700000
# -- 7e -- Most Used Tested
# OpenSky w3
#tuner=11299000,H,13500000,A
#pids=
#----------------------------
# -- 7e -- tested
# eVOLVE
#tuner=11554000,H,27500000,A
#pids=
#pids=
#----------------------------
# -- 7e -- Tested(High DIS)
# EON
#tuner=11260000,H,27500000,A
#pids=
#----------------------------
# -- 7e --
# Uknown
#tuner=11449000,V,27500000,A
#pids=
>>><<<<<< #------ W6 Sattelite ------# >>><<<<<<
#--------- internetcon(Tested)
#tuner=11449000,V,300000,A
#pids=
#-------------
# Tested on w6
#---------
#tuner=11132400,V,300000,A
#pids=
#-------------
#-------------
# First AMS
#tuner=11596000,h,26662,A
#Pids=
#-------------
#tuner=11617000,V,27500,A
#Pids=
#
#SKy Logic Not Tested
#-------------
#tuner=11617000,V,27500,A
#Pids=
#tuner=11640000,h,27345,A
#Pids=
#----------
# horzon
#tuner=11672000,h,20742,A
#Pids=
#----------
# AMS 2ND
#tuner=11324000,V,30000,A
#Pids=
#----------
#space gate
tuner=11345000,H,28782,A
Pids=
#----------
on friends in forum told me to scan only active pids to reduce discontinuity,i did it but i doesn't work.
I really wonder what is it that I DON'T but others do to not to have discontinuity!
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Have you tested pid by pid?
#--------- internetcon(Tested)
#tuner=11449000,V,300000,A
#pids=
then only
'pids=
if there is no discontinuity at 1*0* & 1*0* you can test:
#pids=
If there is no discontinuity take next pids.
Why should you do this??
Sometime thre pids working who dont 'like' an other pid. And this makes discontinuity. I have this problem on W3/EON, so i only use xxxx,yyyy,zzzz and there are many more pids.
To the end of skynet.ini: you have written pids=xxxx, this is universal pid and wont work with skynetR32!!!!!
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ok i'm doing it right now ;)
so you say that pids may conflict?
edit:is it possible that 2 pids don't conflict at a time but they may conflict at another time?
edit:this is my skynet
look at suspended downloads,is suspended downloads my problem or not?(or the downloading user has canceled downloading?)
and as you see although using only one pid at a time i have discontinuity. any ideas?
(http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?3982291d81.jpg)
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if you can not see picture here it is:
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Sorry, your picture will not load at freeimagehosting.net. Server timeout
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(http://i18.tinypic.com/53scv7p.jpg)
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1. Discontinuity, my last ideas.
Is there something working who makes your CPU speed sometimes slow, a firewall, an activ virusscanner or other?
2. For the stopped downloads
You can make nothing to change this. People stops their download, timeout is coming and delete the dl. from skynet(R32).
These two things have to do with one another nothing. Rather the missing segment in the fifth row (.rar) from above. This shows me that the stream has a stop because there is no beam for a little moment or look to 1. When it is sometimes only this lonly one this should not be a problem.