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Re: SmartDVB 0.3.0 pre beta tests feedback thread
« Antwort #105 am: 13 Dezember, 2012, 17:46 »
ok gud to know, no major mdapi alteration needed after all :)
i've looked at ttx station issue, shud b solved with current build.
wrt dvb titles 'channels/enable dvb subtitles processing' needs to be checked for dvb titles to b processed at all.
wrt ttx titles, 'channels/teletext subtitle/save' stores current ttx title page (indeed, it's a station property, should be read by sc*nner but i'm not sure if that's issue coz sometimes the title page data's just not there, but cud be sc*nner bug still, have not looked much at that). S*b page select should be possible with 'UP/down' kb.
Also num-block shud also operate now with ttx (tsted this time myself :)).

anyhow, i'll pm current build..
oh about ur stutter issue, not sure, could be process priority which's been altered with 0.3.0 (cud you look if same occurs with 0.2.5 executed, might just be media pl*yer issue, cud be other pl*yer doesn't stutter?)
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Re: SmartDVB 0.3.0 pre beta tests feedback thread
« Antwort #106 am: 14 Dezember, 2012, 01:13 »
oh, good idea jack, i will try other players to resolve this issue!
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Re: SmartDVB 0.3.0 pre beta tests feedback thread
« Antwort #107 am: 14 Dezember, 2012, 04:13 »
Quuick test results for sdvbtst1312 build:

- SmartOSD DVB subs are working now  8)
Though, on full screen they don't display here.
Back to normal window, working again.
n.b. SmartOSD and SmartOSD TTX do work even if changing between normal window and full screen video

Is there a way to switch DVB subs off instantly, without use of the settings menue?
Double click won't toggle here, whereas on TTx it does.

- SmartOSD TTX now survives station change, even if still opened then.
Still, to change TTX version I have to restart SmartDVB, as else content won't load.

- still neither TTX window nor SmartOSD TTX would allow to select between sub pages already cached.
n.b. by default, UP / DOWN keys are defined to change channel up / down.
Changed this to NUM block + / - key, but still then, no sub page control.

- another little issue on SmartOSD TTX just appeared:
TTX font, font size and char set (e.g. western / turkish / central european) have gotten unstable, they seem to change several times after a station change or just opening TTX.

- where to set initial SmartOSD timings?
On SmartDVB start, the main OSD component feels to stay up almost endlessly, and it can't even be escaped then, before the first station change.


Still a pre beta, so no need to hurry on anything.
I am just trying to be as precise as possible, on one aspect after the other.
Not insisting but relaxed, of course!

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Re: SmartDVB 0.3.0 pre beta tests feedback thread
« Antwort #108 am: 14 Dezember, 2012, 17:22 »
Positive feedback from my site, too :D

The start with tuning the last channel works now!  :jo
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Re: SmartDVB 0.3.0 pre beta tests feedback thread
« Antwort #109 am: 15 Dezember, 2012, 20:16 »
Hi,

This time I installed the 3.0.3 version as a "standalone" only in the "Programs" folder (option 2 of the setup). I had deleted the "sdvb" folder in "Appdata/Local" before. No probs with this procedure. Of course I had to open the program with admin rights (like 0.2.5).

First thing I did was a rescan of Astra 19.2 and Hotbird 13. Scans took longer than on 0.2.5 with more or less same amount of transponders to scan) but the result was fine.

Next was a multirecord effort recording simultaneously 3 channels from the "Sky" provider. As expected: same result as before: 1 recording would work the other two were seemingly still scrambled.

The timer caused shutdown of the PC worked. No probs here.

Letting german language dll work results in a suppression of the "Help" menue. Seems like Jack has changed something in this menue.

One thing which is maybe different from the 0.2.5 version ist the amount of time that a change of the "Aspect ratio" is effective once chosen. Under 0.2.5 if I remember well, this lasted a few minutes. Under 3.0.x it's only effective 2 or 3 seconds. Is there any reason behind?

Next step will be the installation of teh new beta which was sent out yesterday.

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Re: SmartDVB 0.3.0 pre beta tests feedback thread
« Antwort #110 am: 16 Dezember, 2012, 01:42 »
@ ritschibie
Indeed, there have been some tiny changes on AR handling recently, mainly due to early issues with the new SmartOSD controls.

What exactly were you talking about, AR changes on the transmission itself?
If so, I will also put my focus on this here, throughout the next couple of days.
Needs some time then, as this is not happening all to often any more, on stations I can bear to watch for more than just a moment, before feeling urged to change...
 

BTW, does anybody know a HD station, that may use true 4:3 occasionally, instead of letterboxing vertically into to 16:9 frames?
ARD and ZDF HD stations are letterboxing 4:3 material in any case. Same goes for all of the British HD I know.
I have not found any HD in true 4:3 yet, anamorphic or square pixels, but if any exists, this should surely be worth to try.
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Re: SmartDVB 0.3.0 pre beta tests feedback thread
« Antwort #111 am: 16 Dezember, 2012, 11:51 »
@Jürgen. Sorry, my report was a little bit "shortcut"  :embarassed:

What I meant was that one can change the AR rightclicking in the video picture and choose betwen "4:3", "16:9" and the respective "zooms". The "zoom" option gives you a full picture in the video window. Enabling this under 0.2.5 leads to a full picture longer than 1 minute (if I remember well) whereas under 03.0.3 it lasts only for 2,3 seconds. So, I did not mean AR changes in the transmission itself but those caused by manipulating the picture box.

In the past I found some 4:3 videos on Arte HD which would nor could be "zoomed". Would be interesting to have a look at the regional HD providers like NDR HD when they broadcast old black&white films how they transmit this material.
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Re: SmartDVB 0.3.0 pre beta tests feedback thread
« Antwort #112 am: 17 Dezember, 2012, 02:48 »
ARD and ZDF HD stations always transmit in 16:9, and if using 4.3 material, they would always letterbox it vertically.
Means, height would be upscaled to 720p (sometimes in future 1080i), and black sections attached to both sides.

Things get more complicated, if older material originally was produced in a cinema format, then letterboxed horizontally into 4:3 576i and stored this way.
Being retransmitted over their SD stations, this may then be used as it is, 4:3 frame containing cinema format in a letterbox.
But on the HD station you would at the same time find a transmission with double letterboxing, black sectors all around the picture.
For example, this happened earlier this night, when "Dark Star" was shown on 3sat HD.
The original film was scanned in 16.9, then letterboxed horizontally to 4:3 SD, then upscaled and letterboxed vertically to 16:9 HD. More than half of the screen area was nothing but pitch black then  :o
So to zoom this up to FullScreen on a wide screen, you would need a zoom method, that does NOT effect aspect ratio.

However, upscaling material from less than original NTSC / VGA resolution (netto) to FullHD normally is supposed to make your eyes water ;guck
I've seen that film in a local cinema around 1980, of course from the usual 35 mm copy (and in English), and today's HDTV "experience" on my 32" FullHD screen in fact was a pain in the back...
I have even tried to use the zoom function on my big screen, as that's supposed to bring best possible results on it's panel. But no way, had to stop this visual torture after a while.

Means, those stations we are forced to pay for by law, should not wait any longer but start getting new scans from the original celluloid or Blu-ray at least, RIGHT NOW!!! The days of stone age 3rd gen VHS copies out of the deep dusty cellar of Leo Kirch MUST END.
Anything else could be seen as physical injury and a severe insult for both, your eyes and the original art work...  

Have to stop now, as else I might lose my temper...  :wall
However, have you tried to switch AR / zoom from SmartOSD recently?
I have not seen any issues with AR changes being limited to a minute or just seconds.
In daily use, normally I don't really need those zoom functions here.
So I may have to play around a little with both, 0.3.0 and 0.2.5, to try and reproduce this.

BTW, I did not watch the AR transmission changes I've mentioned, yet.
So any results / findings on this will have to wait...

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Re: SmartDVB 0.3.0 pre beta tests feedback thread
« Antwort #113 am: 17 Dezember, 2012, 11:28 »
However, have you tried to switch AR / zoom from SmartOSD recently?
I have not seen any issues with AR changes being limited to a minute or just seconds.
Yessir, I tried via rightclicking in the picture and via smartosd to zoom the picture. Same result on both methods: picture will be zoomed for 1 or 2 seconds and then return to original size. As noone else seems to have tried this feature maybe jackjavo can have a look into it?
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Re: SmartDVB 0.3.0 pre beta tests feedback thread
« Antwort #114 am: 17 Dezember, 2012, 22:23 »
ok, I tried this feature with the same results as ritschibies. SDVB reacts immediately but resumes to the previous situation within  a second or two. I also played with TXT and had the same experience as Jürgen explained in his report.
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Re: SmartDVB 0.3.0 pre beta tests feedback thread
« Antwort #115 am: 18 Dezember, 2012, 04:28 »
Weird...
I must confirm, right click or SmartOSD AR switch / zoom / stretch action indeed drops back to default most of the time, after a second or two.
Happens with any renderer here, though it seems, a few zoom switches may occasionally be successful on ye ol' VMR7.
Even then, try again, and back to default it goes...

What is this, a reset after a number of new GOPs starting or some strange other timing?

However, the SmartOSD based zoom in / zoom out function seems to work reliably.

BTW, when SmartDVB is started, SmartOSD initial station display quite often won't close for a pretty long time, and I can't even escape it then.
Plus, opening the extended event info from it, how to close this then?
Normally I would expect the ESC key to help.
Seems, toggling to full screen or back often does help then, but that's not the proper way.
Have not yet found the time, to wait if that initial SmartOSD would perhaps close after minutes then.


Well, in the digital world, I won't expect myself to use words like "quite often" or "most of the time", as there is no boolean expression for this.
But anyway, this is exactly what I am watching now.
Whatever kind of bug this might be, it must have a strange kind of humour...  ???
Such a neat bug surely should get it's own smiley on our board soft  ;D

To late for now, getting tired

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Re: SmartDVB 0.3.0 pre beta tests feedback thread
« Antwort #116 am: 18 Dezember, 2012, 19:50 »
hoho. AR issue's actual new feature made some time ago, if AR alters at stream sdvb now detects this 'nd reset's AR detected at stream (history.txt should tell that, when altered, so if station switches from 4/3 - 16/9 while tuned AR alteration is detected nd altered (u could also see if that operates ok, so if 4/3-16/9 switch's detected ok). . That it actually alters AR after some seconds would be logical then . Right now if you select general option 'set AR from source' sdvb alters AR at station switch to actual AR detected from station mp2/h264 header (this also after tune if AR alteration from source is detected). So if you need same selected AR to be maintained that option needs to be set to off atm. I could make this seperate option  :), i could add some 'general' option wrt that, somewhat like 'detect AR switch from source' to seperate it from 'set AR from source'? (u could assist with name choice :)). I'll also see to alter code so that once AR's altered after station switch it's not reset again by AR detect code (this could be seperate from that option ofcourse, coz if user chooses to alter it's logical to not alter it again at that station, but 'set AR from source' would be at effect again after next switch ofcourse. Now i think of it could be latter is sufficient without need for extra option (the less options the better ofcourse to not confuse too much)??

Btw i'm still busy with some alterations, especially wrt teletext coz some stuff there still needs to be done (low priority till now).
Also wrt ttx s*btitle switch. Right now i've altered menu to switch off too. But i could also add like seperate 'subtitle' remote option for switch ofcourse (could be even like seperate dvb-subtitles/ttx-subtitles remote, whatever people wud prefer). Also i'm busy with ttx lnks-select, what remote options would be most approriate for that (like red/green etc, or seperate remote options?).
Also, cache's there, it just needs to not be reset at same station switch etc. But if you mean like cache for all stations that's not there yet (would also be too mem intensive imho, but ofcourse there some sqlite cache like with EPG now cud be thought about, but that's for later, right now cache should operate better per station switch at nxt tst, looks ok here).
ALso have to tell, that bug jurgen reported (ndr image issues) took lots of debugging to figure out, still not sure it's like ok, but well, that's it for now...

Nxt tst soon :)

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edit: wrt ar switch. Other possible course of action would be to never alter AR if not set to 4/3 16/9?? (independent of 'set ar from source' etc, so even if 'set from source' wud be selected ar would not be altered if set to zoom/stretch whatever..?)..

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Re: SmartDVB 0.3.0 pre beta tests feedback thread
« Antwort #117 am: 19 Dezember, 2012, 02:38 »
You're right, AR from source causes the AR reset, obviously after maybe one or two GOPs.
BTW, it's important to never let change AR automatically within an event, if only one new GOP carried a different AR marking, as this can happen due to a short transmission error and perhaps also ruin a recording.

Basically, source should be first, to define AR used, as normally it should be correct.
On studio errors or on one AR embedded into another, user action could be helpful, for exactly that event, or perhaps, if interrupted by ads, all the original parts of that event.
Such temporal settings should in any case go back to transmission default at the end of that event or any station change.
Plus, in 99+% of the cases of need for user zooming, in fact the simple zoom function does the job, mainly to remove all the black bars on embedded / double letterboxing.

More detailed zooming normally required to much user action, to be used on live TV. So this is really useful for timeshift or playback only. That's a good reason, to have a fully integrated player one day...

This user action in fact can use more options and presets than AR markings on the transmissions, but in most cases, if not all, they should only be helpful for exactly one event, or perhaps even on series.

I've never seen a station transmitting permanently false AR markings, so AFAIK this should not be effecting channel props.

However, as there are strict limitations for AR markings both on transmissions and from recordings, it's extremely important, to not mix those up with user changes at viewing time.

And there is a third kind of independent AR relating settings:
Screen and screen resolution relative AR settings must be kept strictly separate, as those are system settings, only to be altered for hardware changes, like when using a 16.10 or 5:4 display.
Prog always mixed that up for years, leading to nasty behaviour again and again...

TTX subs depend on the TTX module and relative settings, so perhaps they may also be seen as a part of it, from the view of a user.
Each station may use it's own TTX page(s) for this, and perhaps this page should be made part of channel props.
I am not sure, if TTX provides some subs page(s) ID(s) for the system, but even if, there may be more than one, like if arte transmitted an original Chinese movie with both, French and German subs, of course on different pages then.
Means, a user would need to have the choice, what TTX subs page would be preset for a station.


BTW, now I had the time to play around and compare between TTX and DVB subs.
And I have mentioned before, TTX should normally be displayed in strict 4:3, as it may contain semi graphics, and those normally are made for 4.3 display.
Some German stations even carry TTX test pages with an almost FuBK style grid, circle and colour bars picture. That circle always proves the need of 4:3 ;)
See my attachment

BUT...
subs can be arranged to positions relative to speakers (plus colour coded), and these positions refer to the picture, more or less.
DVB subs seem to take care of this, and so should TTX subs, be displayed in 16:9 on 16.9 transmissions and else in 4:3, like all normal TTX pages.
If that's not possible or not easy, stay on 4:3 for TTX, by this avoid cutting some parts away if user AR changes active.

Whatsoever, either Xmas or theendoftheworldasweknowit is ahead.
First option favoured, of course ;)
So there's absolute no need to hurry on anything software related.
No ProgDVB style hot needle stitching, but rock steady and highly reliable results should have absolute priority.

Let's all try to have a good and peaceful time in between

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Re: SmartDVB 0.3.0 pre beta tests feedback thread
« Antwort #118 am: 20 Dezember, 2012, 18:11 »
hi,

new current build tst at mail (bcc so hope all's correct there).
Most alterations to ttx module, cache should operate now at same station switch/smartosd select etc). Lots of fixes/alterations there so interested to know if stuff still's ok there. For me s*bpage select operates also links/state etc. Also num-block for me operates (let's hope that's ok now). Also remote 'red/green/yellow/blue' should operate ttx lnks...

The show current station at sdvb execute issue should also b ok now (actual issue occured with new custom station list when execute sdvb with collapsed custom list, so that's why it sometimes seemed to operate, other times not).
For me the ndr images seem to operate now, but still unsure if it's 101% correct :)
Also alterations to ttx/dvb title show (no seperate remote option yet, i'll focus to make current build stable before add new stuff)

The ttx title AR's now set to 4/3 like jurgen suggests, not sure about x coordinate screen placement though (y-coordinate should operate/colors also)

br nd enjoy these final moments 'beforetheendoftheworldASweknOwit' :)
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Re: SmartDVB 0.3.0 pre beta tests feedback thread
« Antwort #119 am: 21 Dezember, 2012, 03:19 »
This planet will find it's end on tuesday morning 9.30 AM, 4.9 billion years from now, and not a minute later.
That's happening when the sun turns into a red giant and it's surface reaches the earth orbit.
But a towel and some peanuts might help us then, and so we will all meet again in the restaurant at the end of the universe, every day at tea time.

And now for something completely different...

TTX semi graphics semm to be OK now.
SmartOSD Info screen not disappearing issue is to be solved by setting the related timing in the props to e.g. 5 seconds, instead of 5001, which I've just found there.
No idea, where this value came from originally. Of course I did not set this to 5001 seconds...

But something went wrong on all TTX controls.
I can't enter any page numbers anymore, on both TTX versions.
On pre beta 5 copy this still works as before.

Now I can click sub page numbers, but they don't change sub page.
Instead a left mouse click switches page down, same if left clicking on a TTX area without three digit numbers (page links).

One more new finding, strange but not critical:
Opening normal TTX window, and as long as P 100 is not loaded, TTX background does not change to (transparent) black.
Instead it captures the part of the video screen it just covered, as a still picture, that could even be moved around with the TTX window.
This vanishes once a valid page is displayed.

Well, more intensive TTX tesing is almost impossible right now, without any working page numbers control by number keys.
Again, my keyboard and mouse are standard MS compatible HID, all key controls at default.
No original software installed, no hotkeys set nor anything else unusual here.

Last but perhaps most important new issue here:
SmartDVB does not close properly anymore now, so to restart it, I have to kill the process "SmartDVB.exe *32" or restart the machine.

Once I find some extra time, I will occasionally compare everything with Win XP and with my second machine (again).

Best regards

Jürgen
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1mØ mit DiSEqC 1.3/USALS als LNB2 an DVB-S2 STB, aktuell 30°W bis 55°O
1.) FM2A88X Extreme6+, A8-6600K (APU mit 4x 3,9 GHz und Radeon HD8570D), 16GB DDR3 1866, 128GB SSD, 3TB HDD, Win10 x64 Pro 1909 / 10.0.17763.107, Terratec T-Stick Plus (für DAB+), Idle Verbrauch ca. 35 Watt
2.) FM2A75 Pro 4, A8-5600K (APU mit 4x 3,6 GHz und Radeon HD7530D), 8GB DDR3 1600, 128GB SSD, 2TB HDD, Win10 x64 Pro, Idle Verbrauch ca. 45 Watt
3.) Raspberry Pi 512MB u.a. mit Raspbian
4.) GA-MA770-UD3, Phenom II x4 940, 8GB DDR2, Radeon HD6570, 2TiB, USB 3.0, 10 Pro x64 (+ XP Pro 32bit (nur noch offline)), Ubuntu 10.4 64bit, Cinergy S2 USB HD, NOXON DAB+ Stick, MovieBox Plus USB, ...

Samsung LE32B530 + Benq G2412HD @ HDMI 4:2; Tokaï LTL-2202B
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